Can I get my Prima Luna to sound more like a SET/300B?


 

Dear Audiogon community, 

 

I am ruminating on my current state of mind with this alchemy… 

 

I have spent the past year upgrading my main system to a relatively glorious state… details below and in my profile. 

 

I am at times in the sublime musical hallucination I seek. However I admittedly may be coming to the realization that the sound I yearn for in my heart may be ultimately obtained through a SET or 300B type of solution. And to get there I may need a 5-9K indulgence, in order to match the Nagra Streamer, Holo Audio DAC, and Pure Audio Project Duet Horn’s. 

 

This is something that may take a while for me to enact… 

 

SOOOO…. In the meantime…. What if anything can I do with the amp that I currently have, a Prima Luna Dialogue Premium HP, to obtain a completely enveloping, immediate, effortless, sublime, vivid, and delicious delivery of acoustic, jazz, classical, vocals, horns, strings, cymbals…. Sublime enveloping sensual euphoria…?? 

 

Can I get my Prima Luna to sound like a proper SET or 300B amp? Even close? 

 

Some thoughts: 

-Cap upgrade… Jupiter or Jensen or Duelund or…. 

 

-Main tubes to…. Ray? Mullard E34’s? Psvane PH or UK? Sophia Electric? 

 

(Currently I run Gold Lion KT77’s, which are very nice when they work, but their unreliability is frustrating… in 9 months two go out and one has a high frequency distortion)

 

Or should I bite the bullet and jump in to a serious amp upgrade? 

 

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your brilliant insight… 

 

Cheers to musical alchemy. 

R. 

 

 

 

 

 

Details of my system: (brief)

    • SPEAKERS: Pure Audio Project Duet 15 Horn (Mundorf Silver Gold Oil Cap upgrade and high pass filter, Anticable 4.2 Flex Internal wire)
    • STREAMER: Nagra Streamer (Cardas Clear Coaxial)
    • DAC: HoloAudio Spring 2 Level 3 Kitsune edition (Silversmith Fidelium RCA Interconnects)
    • AMP: PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP Integrated (Gold Lion KT77 power tubes, Mullard NOS gain tubes)
    • PHONO: Music Hall MMF-9 and McIntosh MP 100 Preamp (Goldring Eroica lx cartridge)
whyrichard

I will see if the Prima Luna with the ray el34 reserve tubes I just ordered satisfy my ears… and if not I will move my attention to a 300b of some sort… 

 

big moves. Much passion of the ear. 
 

r

@whyrichard I hope the tube journey you are on turns out ok, trying 300b and the Ray tubes won’t do it. When you hit bottom get away from tubes..

 

You could get sell your Prima Luna and get a SET/300B.  Then it would sound like a SET/300B.  

Try a Svetlana St Petersburg EL 34’s.  Closest my Dennis Had Inspire KT-88 amp comes to having the rich full midrange of my Cary Audio 300B SEI amp.  PrimaLuna’s are great amps, but voiced a little more toward the modern tube amp transparent sound.  Pentodes have more power than triodes, drive more “clarity” which is a little less “bloomy” than triodes.  
 

You have some great gear, search for NOS EL 34’s, more warmth than any new production tube.  

Maybe you need to pursue a high quality class AB or class A. amp.  There will always be limitations with the Prima Luna.