Asa, since you said that "I am being disingenuous", and the reason I said "beneath is not", because I am not interested-in your thinking, nor opinions. What am looking for is what you see, or know. Maybe I am shooting in the dark. I am not trying to be a teacher; I am not the one who wrote three pages of texts. Yes that's what it is, text. You are right! Maybe I should explain when I said, "beneath is not". Here is how I see the language is limitless.
This heaven is so vast no messages stain it.
Pure and simple, if you give me that, I quit the thread. Or even if you don't give me that, I still quit the thread. Have fun. |
Dear friends, having always felt a bit uneasy in using this space about discussions on Jung, I want to thank Nrchy and of course also Arnie for lending us their space. I've enjoyed the discussion immensely, learnt from it and felt in excellent company, but now I want to call it closed. Please contact me personally if more questions arise. I want to open a thread about a question which has bugged me for decades, namely what is the essence of musicality and why is it, that music does to us, what it does. In fact, what does it and why. The question became even more burning, as I pondered the reason, why Carl Jung obviously so had to shy away from this experience. I sincerely hope, you will join me in this thread and give me food for thought. Bless Ya All and thanks! Detlof |
6ch: I guess I don't understand how you can respond to me with a smiley face, and then, once you've had a day to let your mind go over it, come back with a response that's not so smiley. Who needs the mirror?
An enlightened being not interested in what others say (all thought presented in dialogue is "opinion", but need not be judgement) and taking a day to work himself up just to say he's not going to say anything. Hmmm.
6ch, you want to be the "Zen Master" you've read so much about. If you can't be that, then you quit. Its your mirror.
Thank you all, you too 6ch.
Clueless, sorry that you couldn't respond to my olive branch. Try not to save that feeling for the next thread.
Closed. |
Important News Flash! Price breakthrough on synchronicity (And I said I wouldn't be back.) Given the depth and intensity of the discussion here I felt none of you would want to miss out on this one of kind deal on a Jungian Synchronicity Machine. The instructions clearly provide at Usage e: "Leave your Wishing Machine running. In a few days or weeks you should start seeing synchronicities coming into your life." Synchronicity Central Holy Psychotronic Psionics Psionic!!!! All this on 3 AAA batteries! I'm wondering what if I use a dedicated power supply with some of those Pursit Dominus cables Narchy talks about? I can have my life together in no time! Maybe I can get a group deal on some treated ones! Detlof, even with the upgrades I think the price is cheaper than the therapy you suggested for me. Lets not get in a bidding war eh! Asa. Contrary to popular belief I do leave my computer once in while. I have to see the branch before I can grab it. I had the chance to see David Liebman blow his sax last night w/ very small crowd (35) totally acoustic. Kept me out late. very nice. Peace. I remain |
Unbelievable...I'd want to be an anonymous bidder too!
Peace. |
I am glad that a new normality has returned. Clueless remains (clueless -- not adieu), Asa: are the waters are dark because I made them so & you believed me?
Detlof: I have not yet grasped knowledge allowing me to append a comment -- however frivolous.
I believe that Nrchy & 6 would agree with -- only would have put it better than I. |
Gregm: on normality, waves rise, waves fall into troughs; challenge of assumptions rises, challenge subsides. Could this "normality" - the calm trough we are now in, closer in understanding - have existed without the rising? 6ch is right, there are many ways to cut a chicken, and although it would not be my chosen metaphor, both ways are part of the rising; as I said to clueless, we are all part of the wave, both up and down.
Do I get caught up in darkness? Yes, I still do. Each wave of a person's "development" involves rises and troughs. Each trough, so to speak, has its own pathologies, its own uncovered dark seed of karma, ever darker as you proceed into your own past and the collective past of all within all. People think, or like to imagine, that its a continuous blissful ascendancy, and yes there is bliss, but when the attachment to wherevever you are - and there are attachments all along the way - is seen as an illusion there is then the next desert before the next arisement. There are many deserts and during those times (and for me, this time is one of them) the darkness can catch me, pull me in before I see it, see that it is only me forgetting where I am. I am not at a "place" that is beyond levels; that is the non-dual ground of all levels. Not in a stable way. OK?
We have learned here, all of us, and sometimes there is tension with that. But I think we all meet here because we share an appreciation for a certain reflection of beauty we call "music". That coming-together is always stronger than the pulling-apart; the rising is never apart from the falling. |
6ch: I don't go through my old threads often, but couldn't find one that I've talked on recently, so went to "my page" and noticed in the list that you and Muralman seemed to have the last word on a lot of my old threads, but, somehow, your responses are recent and there's a big gap between my response all the way last year and yours within the last two weeks. I see multiple times around 10-12-02, right when Muralman was perhaps mining through my old threads looking for the drunken accusation, where you also appear. I know you and Muralman were "tag teaming" me at the time on this thread, and Muralman was more rev'ed up and resented my mentioning his private demeanor, but seeing you there doing this caught me by surprise, especially given how you've presented yourself here.
Were you going through my old responses? You said that you are only here to find out what I "know", as you put it, so why would you do that? Is it a coincidence that you and Muralman seem to have done this at the same time?
Please explain. I'm open to a reasonable explanation, particularly given that we seemed to have come to a calm place here. Notwithstanding, if this is the case, you need to tell me why. |
6ch, I've contacted you. Please see that before answering the above. |
Asa than you for throwing an intimate light. Of course, I put forth the proposition that darkness is a personal affair -- but we (I) may sometimes try to pull others into our (my) perceived darkness... (we'll cook/hang together).
A more positive approach would be the other way 'round, look up toward the light. My darkness in inside me -- outside the sun is shining! |
Light inside of you too Gregm!! I see it, and have seen it before here. Thank you for reminding me of darkness; we are all each others' teachers and as long as that is done authentically, it is ok. Like detlof and many others, you have always been truthful with me. Detlof, as I said awhile back, has me pegged: it all about meeting. That is part of my faith. Thank you again. |
Ladies and Gentlemen,
1) First thing first, I like to take this opportunity to apologize to Mark (Asa) and the rest of you if I offended you, intensional or un-intensional(?). Especially Asa, Detlof, Unsound, Nrchy, Sean (yes, you too), Sugarbrie, Z man, Twl and Clueless(?)(man, I am starting to sound like you). I think my 3 cents (collect from everyone that read my posts) really belong to Asa for he swallow my remarks. And believe me, it is not easy! I've used to be in his shoes, except it's my choice. Asa, don't spare me when you use that bamboo stick.
2) Gregm, you beat me to it. Your post is really beautiful, Sir.
3) Asa, regarding your e-mail. Thank you, I really proud of you. I have been waiting...You really earn my respect as a gentleman. Anyway, I speak for myself if you know what I mean ;-). The other thing is just probing. ;-). Asa, I was thinking of calling you, last night but my cheap side kick in for it is a long distance call. But I am opened for communication...by e-mail, please. I need time to swallow your English! Anyway Asa, I don't think you will get much from me, as I've said in the beginning, I really have nothing to say. I might bug you more than you think I would. My friend you are stuck with me. LOL
4) Audiogon, please let this one goes, through.
5) I have not think about it, yet....LOL
6) Ten Bulls anyone? NO? :-)
7) Now, I really, really, really quit this thread. OK?, please don't call me. Hahaha... |
Thank you, 6ch. Courage.
I do not mind being reminded. You may keep doing that. People telling me I'm a windbag is not a bad thing to hear now and then, especially because its true (I am working on it...). Actually, I have enjoyed your non-dual "pointing" in the past. Just thought this went a little over the line. Like I said to you, though, I have gone off myself sometimes, so it happens.
Its forgotten as far as I'm concerned.
To audiogon: people make mistakes, all of us. It takes courage to say sorry. 6ch said that he may not be posting anymore. That was not my intent, and although I realize that this is your decision, as the one who cited it, I don't think it rises to a level where 6ch should be barred. I never felt that strongly, just wanted to hold up a mirror. Again, it takes courage to look into that mirror. That should mean something.
6ch, say somthing, not say something, people learn and grow from both. And, I don't mind being stuck with you, really.
Be well. |
In french this is, "mon semblable, mon frere" |
Does this mean we're done with these deeply profound discussions of the relative value of cable? Am I on the right thread? |
Nrchy, I think the more refined and complex a system gets, every single part of it plays an important role and in the end the whole is certainly more than all its parts. In a system tweaked to the utmost, every little change matters and can be heard and therefore, yes, in my opinion, everything is a component, in its old Latin sense of the word. And in this complex interrelationship of electronics, plugs, wires and transducers, to me, wires have become as important as any other component and this goes down to any part of which I have learnt, that it can make a difference to the sound as I percieve it. Cheers, |
It is nice that this was able to be resolved by the end of the year.
Happy New Year all!!! |
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Kinda odd that, since this thread, we haven't heard too many from the materialist camp slamming others for thinking wire-matter is important.
Funny how that happened, uh? |
It must have been the "Peace on Earth" thing! |
Great response Nrchy!LOL!! |
Nrchy, basically, there weren't any problem, how is it resolved in the end? ;-)
Yawn... The Santa Ana's wind... |
What thread have you been reading 6chac? There was all kinds of excitement, even though everyone was having fun. I sure did. Differences of opinions don't make anyone wrong. They are just opinions and lots of people got to share their opinion about a broad range of topics from history, philosophy, and cables. That's how it should be! |
12-31-02.
The fun, I've never out of.
Must be the peace "thing" ... :-) |
When I abruptly exited, I forgot to say, "I think I swallowed a bug." Let me correct that omission. I think I swallowed a bug. |
I don't know if anyone is still following this, but I bought a new amp. It is not a $7000 amp, but it was too darn close for comfort. After it is broken-in I will have to resolve in my own mind whether the improvement was greater with the Purist Dominus or with the new amp.
Maybe I should give up on all of this a persue the study of philosophy! |
Nrchy...are you serious? Just enjoy the music and don't "let yourself be sickenend by the mind's grey thoughts" ..free translation out of Goethe's "Faust", above all: congratulations for getting a new plaything ! |
Nrchy, ok I give up? what new amp that you just bought, that is too close for comfort? Sound like something special! Please, do tell :-) But ya know... Look is first in my department, so I have to ask. It is good looking? ;-).
On the other note, as Detlof said "don't "let yourself be sickenend by the mind's grey thoughts"". Although, sometime it's white, sometime it's black, sometime it's just it is to me, like ... stillness... Oops, sorry I kindna carry away. On the serious note, jumping from one train to another is not going to do any good, just different, bro. |
I listed it in "my system" but I should have written it on the thread too. I bought a Krell FPB 200.
From what I've heard so far deciding which sounds better is going to be a real struggle. It's been quite a while since I had the Purist Dominus in my system.
The amp sounds much better than I expected. The dead black background and level of detail are just incredible. The sound, all across the listening range is beautiful. I only have five days on it right now. Thank goodness for the PAD burn-in disc. It really accelerates the break-in period. |
Nrchy, at least you are on the right track now. The Krell is a big step up from what you were using. Now for the CDP. |
Nrchy, I am not familiar with, the Krell sound but Krell desin always look cool to me. Man the dang thing look like a tank, huh. How heavy is it? Can you make some eggs omelet on it? ;-) |
They are very heavy duty. The FPB 200 which is the smallest of the series weighs a fuzz over 100lbs. It is hard to get out of the box by yourself.
Krell has come up with some design changes that have helped with the heat issues. Even when being driven at a good pace I can put my hand on top of the amp. It's hot, but not too hot to keep my hand on.
Krell gets more heat from non-Krell audiophiles than it produces on it's own! |
Nrchy, how about the sound? Non-Krell audiophiles? Like who? Sure not me! Those guys don't know zap. Well, I don't know much, neither. :-) But it's all opinion! Ask Twl, he will tell you how wide the different opinions are?! Ask Asa? Well... No, don't ask Asa, or he will tell you to convert to TUBES. Unless you want to convert to TUBES. But for me, turn on the power switch is a troublesome. Beside I happy with my system now? I don't want to move/change anything; the house is too heavy to change; and don't even want to change me, neither. ;-)
Oh, your cable, how is it sound? |
TWL has told me to change to tubes also! I know everyone like different things. It just seems like for some reason there are a lot of snipers gunning for Krell. Plenty of people take pot shots at them over this issue or that.
In my opinion the FPB 200 amp sounds great. It is definately the best sounding amp I have ever owned. I have thought about doing a review. It is better than the Aragon I owned previously in every way concievable. Midrange treble and bass are all much improved. The soundstage is so much more defined. It's just better.
I'm not sure what you mean about the cable. I have a little mix of cables. Mostly Purist and Cardas, with a little Monster thrown in. I will replace the Monster once I buy new speakers. Speakers are a bigger priority. |
Audioengr it's nice to see a voice of reason on the forums. |
OP-
there is nothing more "magical" than discovering a cable/cord that brings your system to life! Happy Listening! |
