+1 for the SL 1200! I just caved and bought a bone stock one and am very impressed.
Best sounding turntable and cartridge for $1100
I have seen a lot of turntable and cartridges packages in $1000- $1100, such as the Project RPM3 with the Sumiko BP-2 MC. Project Xperience 1 with a Sumiko Pearl MM; Rega Planar 3 with a Elys II cartridge.
I have formerly owned a Rega 3-24 with Elys II and a Project Carbon DC with Ortofon 2M Red (which I did not like at all) . Would like to try something different, but can live with the above brands depending on their overall performance
Need recommendations for turntable/cartridge new or used combo that punches far above its price of $1100. Thank you
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@sunnyjim How about a KAB-modded Technics SL1200? If you want new, you can pay a couple hundred premium to get NOS on eBay or just find a minty used one of the 6MM or so sold. Add a KAB fluid damper and have the arm rewired, swap out for some better feet or cones and you are well in your budget with a rock solid table that IMHO punches well above anything discussed in this thread so far. You will also be on a path to easily allow future easy upgrades if they tickle your fancy. I've heard these tables in SOTA systems where they replaced tables at 10x the price. For info check out KAB's site or the "Techipedia" section of the British forum theartofsound. Cheers, Spencer |
If I were in your predicament, I'd try to stretch the budget a bit and try the Marantz TT-15S1. They come with a pre mounted Clear Audio Virtuoso cartridge. I think the turntable is actually made by Clear Audio and rebadged as Marantz. I think it's probably a good deal at $1500 total. Music Direct sells them and has no hassle returns. www.musicdirect.com/store/marantz-tt-15-acrylic-turntable At one time they were selling factory refurbished models for around $1200. I did a lot of research in this price range before I decided to double my budget and the Marantz was at the top of my demo list. |
sjtm, Thank you for the advice. I know patience is a virtue, but, overall it may not be one of mine. However, maybe I am going daffy looking for a table, but recently it has crossed my mind that a used, even mint table could be a risk. So, why not buy new. You might rightly say: " Because, dumbbell, with a new TT you are not going to maintain your budget, or also extend your dollars Also, no vendor at this time of the year is going to give away profit with a super duder deal" ***BTW, which I have personally discovered in the last few weeks. I am not a novice to this blog; I have seen hundred of ads for used turntables with vary degrees of age and condition. I have bought used mint with other components, and recently scored a used quality amp and preamp which together retailed for $4600, and I paid $2100. I am wildly satisfied with their performance and synergy so far. I only spin LP's about 20% of the time, that may be the reason I have become suddenly stingy in the price for the table investment. And as we have experienced with wives, girl friends and other mates who are skulking around looking for on-line receipts and/or declaring too much money is being spent on audio, and why not treat her to a diamond necklace, earrings, or a $6000 European vacation Lastly, there is member selling a mint VPI Scout JR. with accessories, BUT no cartridge for about $950. So at least a $250-300 spike has to be purchased to get the vinyl spinning and the toes tapping.. Thanks again for you advice and those of other members SJ |
Sorry, back again, Does anyone have feedback about the Musical Fidelity "Roundtable TT?? It looks solid, but so did the HMS Titanic. It comes with an AT95E. It is on a closeout sale for $299.99 on Music Direct However, might its tonearm support and work with a Denon DL-110? I realize I have lowered my expectations from my earlier list of choices, but I am tired looking. I can't even find a deal on decent Music Hall 5.1 with the carbon fiber arm and their Magic 3 cartridge for less than $799. The table was discontinued a year ago according to Roy Hall Thanks to all, SJ |
rikintpa, Thanks for the comment, but I recently owned a refurbished and and upgraded Thorens TD-145 . The TP-16 tonearm is junk, and the headshell makes it difficult to mount a cartridge from the bottom up I had to buy a new one for 85.00 from Vinyl Engine. The table bounced to the slightest footfalls, though placed on a solid audio rack and isolation platform. The "pick-up and stop" feature worked sometimes To its only credit it was dead quiet. I had a AT 440MLb cartridge on it which sounded decent. However, that is my first and last venture into the world of vintage restored turntables. There is member on AG selling with a restored ThorensTD-124 which looks solid and beautiful . I have tracked this item for two months. He has moved from an initial selling price of $1195 to a current price of $845 Speaks volumes about these vintage money pits. |
My suggestion is get a Thorens TD-125, 145 or 160 or an old AR Table have them modified and or restored. Then go with an Ortofon Blue or Bronze or maybe a Denon 103R if you can have a Moving Coil Cart in your set-up. To replace those tables today (if set up right) would cost you 4Xs the amount you would spend on an "old Table"! |
To Slaw, How does the DL-110 match up with light to medium tonearms. How might it compare to other cartridges like Rega Elys II; Ortofon Bronze, or Clearaudio Performer V-2 which are high output MM's To schism:. You friend is right; I wish I had kept mine which I bought new in 1988 for half price on a salesman's accommodation. I also owned VPI Rega, Thorens. However, I had no complaints about the VPI or Rega, but the "refurbished" Thorens TD-145 was a turkey and junk. Thanks. |
I happen to be listening to a SG 3 as I read this. It was given to me by a friend who has numerous tables ( VPI, Rega, Thorens)...it was collecting dust in a closet. I have an Ortofon 2M blue cart and a Bellari VP130 with upgraded tube and power cable. To me it sounds fantastic. When I considered buying a new table in the $750-$1000 range my vinyl junkie friend, who's older and wiser, said "you're gonna have spend more than that to sound better"... |
Sunny, my SG-3 was purchased in 1983 and the original version as manufactured by the Portland Oregon company prior to Conrad Johnson buying out Sonograph. I purchased it from a dealer friend of mine after the Portland Co. failed. I believe the cost of production on that TT exceeded it's $400 asking price. I remain curious as to the sonic value of this TT/arm combination compared to the sub $1000 tables offered today. |
To mesch: I owned a Sonograph TT in 1988 when I was able to buy my first high end system. It was a nice little table. I eventually moved up to VPI HR 19 Jr TT, when VPI provided a dustcover and even a set Allen wrenches to adjust the tonearm height. Now on some their table , you are lucky if you get phono cables. To dodgealum. I have read AT OC9 is a wonderful sounding cartridge, but like the upper level Ortofon 2M series cartridge line replacement styli are too expensive. I will check out your recommendation. |
Just saw this sorry....As far as I know you cannot replace the stylus on the AT OC9MLII though I'm sure you could get a retip from Soundsmith. The OC9 can usually be found here for about $250 and I see VPI Scouts all the time so you should not have trouble putting this combo together used fairly easily and for around $1200 bucks. |
Sunny, It just might be that the BP NO.2 might also sound too bright to you though tamed over the original Blue Point which I also owned several years ago. I had the original while owning B&K ST-140 amp and Pro 10 pre feeding a early pair of Vandersteen model 2s. It was mounted on a Sonograph SG-3 with MMT tonearm (which I still own). In that system I enjoyed the original BP. RE my NO.2, I have not played vinyl enough lately such that it is probably not yet broken in, nor have I compared it to any other cartridge. I consider it a lively, dynamic cartridge and far more enjoyable to a Grado Gold MM cartridge ($220) I tried prior to purchasing the BP. My main reason for selling it is that I don't use my turntable ( not once in last 18 months) as I thought I would when I purchased it. I will be looking for a less expensive cartridge to replace it for use of the TT in a second system. If I was buying a TT system today I would buy the best TT/tonearm/cartridge combination that my budget would allow with focus on the TT/tonearm, with a cartridge that satisfies however not occupying a large fraction of the budget. Cartridges can be more easily replaced and need to be compatible with the phonostage used. If you remain interested in the BP No. 2, I am going to list mine here on AG today. Feel free to send me a private message via my add, we may be able to work something out. Good luck in your quest, whatever you choose. |
To mesch, Thanks for the heads up. I read several reviews of this cartridge. What is your opinion of its sound quality I actually owned the original Blue Point Special, which I renamed the "Blue Plate" Special It was just too bright...... It was mounted on the Audioquest P-6 tonearm and spun on a VPI HR-19 Junior To noromance, I respect your opinion and comments, but that analogy does not work for me.
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Sunny, I own a Blue Point No. 2 cartridge which has no more than 30 hrs on it. I went to the dark side and now source primarily digital. I am going to put this cartridge up for sale here on AG. I will inspect it under my dissecting scope to insure it is like new, as I am confident it is. I will try and get my add up in the next couple days. If interested and you get to the add just send me a private message. We can discuss any concerns at that time. |
Ah, noromance. It is not my fault that the choices I listed are prepackage the Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge. It is even worst that VPI has prepacked the Ortofon 2M Red with Traveler and Scout II or did a few years ago. Does that make any sense?? Not to me. Also, lay off the "you no likey Ortofon Blue" schtick BTW, why should I buy a Rega P-3 with the Elys II, when I can buy a used Rega RP6 with the same Elys II. It is a better table, and even if the new P-3 is close in performance, the used RP-6 is $200 less and the selling price could be probably negotiated down another $100 . |
To dodgealum Thank you for your recommendation I have read many positve testimonials about AT OC9MLII cartridge. I know it is expensive Let me ask you: Is there a replacement stylus for it that does not cost as much as a airline ticket?? Also, would this cartridge work well with the latest and last VPI Traveler table .(So far no luck scoring a VPI Scout or even VPI 1.1. NOTE: My thread has gone no where. Maybe I worded it wrong and therefore did get many responses So let me list the following tables: that are in the $1000-1100 1) Music Hall MMF 5.3 table with an Ortofon 2M Blue; retail $995.00 ( owned this cartridge before; but not impressed; also amplifies surface noise) 2) Project "new" Classic table (w/ carbon fiber arm) with an Ortofon 2M Silver; retail $1099 ( cartridge designed specially for Project ) 3) Project RPM 3 with Sumiko BP-2 HO moving coil and ( 9cc carbon arm) retail $999 4) SOTA Moonbeam III retail $850 + $236 2M Blue cart = $1086 retail 5) Music Hall "Ikura" TT with Ortofon 2M Blue.... retail $1195 (makes not sense how this model fits into their line Could be just a marginal step-up from their MMF 5.3 ****SOTA offers a few cartridgesl like the 2MBlue which they will mount and calibrate for free if bought directly from them. Note the tonearm is a Rega 220 built for them, but looks like junk. Has no dustover; Has adjustable flimy looking support feet BTW, the above Project "New" Classic TT noted above is sold (only) through Audio Advisor...notorious only for 5%-10% discounts. ************************************************************************ Any comments or recommendations will be greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks to all SJ |
