Budt, I've occasionally checked around internet forums and it seems that the 804's and 805's were the first out of the gate and just now the 802's and 803's are trickling in to dealers and buyers. As best as I can see, the overall consensus is a definite upgrade in SQ overall, with the 805 seemingly the knockout player, at least based on initial impressions. There have been a number of comments that the 805 is outstanding, and possibly a killer in it's price range. I also read several times that, across the line, the imaging and soundstage have improved dramatically. Nothing negative, and nothing suggesting no improvement. All diff levels of positive. Best I can offer so far.