Am I the only one who was impressed with Spendor/Chord room?
Axpona reviewers perceptions and reality
Just read the Absolute Sounds' review of speakers $20k and many of the speakers and systems singled out by Mr. Vallin were in our opinion were mostly subpar and many of these systems were extremely expensive to the tune of $500k and above price levels.
Many critics love the big Von Schweikert/Vac rooms we felt that in both recent shows: Cap and at Axpona these rooms were way too massive for even these large and expensive speakers and these systems did not have the room lock effect where the speakers are actually presurizing the room and therefore producing the realistic size and scope of a live performance.
Other disappointments that critics liked
The High Water Sound room was just dismbodied, soft sounding and utterly uninvolving,.
The CH Precision room not that good especially for the insane price tag of $500k for this room at least.
The YG acoustics/Audionet was an extremely expensive rig that failed to impress.
The Hanawi speakers first sounded great on an old recording totally disapeared and then sounded aweful on a modern record dead, no dynamics, limited top end no bottom.
We do agree that the YG Linenberg setup was very good and way less expensive then some of the other rigs.
Both Magico systems were horrible, the gigantic Magico dual sub system was impressive in the way it filled the space with scale and image size and bass output, but was lifeless and dead sounding, and the CH Precison Magico setup was also boring and uninvolving with an insane cost of probably another $500k level room.
We also agree that the Wilson/Arc room was magical
We also thought the MBL's sounded very good
We also thought the Avante Garde room was also extremely good.
The point is Mr. Vallin hailed many systems as being best in show that in our opinion didn't deliver the goods at all
The Piega room was not anything special, the German Physics again not bad not that good either, most omni's don't sound right to us,. the Eikons were good for an all in one and the Haniwa's were just aweful other than a 1950's record they were playing which sounded great.
Many critics love the big Von Schweikert/Vac rooms we felt that in both recent shows: Cap and at Axpona these rooms were way too massive for even these large and expensive speakers and these systems did not have the room lock effect where the speakers are actually presurizing the room and therefore producing the realistic size and scope of a live performance.
Other disappointments that critics liked
The High Water Sound room was just dismbodied, soft sounding and utterly uninvolving,.
The CH Precision room not that good especially for the insane price tag of $500k for this room at least.
The YG acoustics/Audionet was an extremely expensive rig that failed to impress.
The Hanawi speakers first sounded great on an old recording totally disapeared and then sounded aweful on a modern record dead, no dynamics, limited top end no bottom.
We do agree that the YG Linenberg setup was very good and way less expensive then some of the other rigs.
Both Magico systems were horrible, the gigantic Magico dual sub system was impressive in the way it filled the space with scale and image size and bass output, but was lifeless and dead sounding, and the CH Precison Magico setup was also boring and uninvolving with an insane cost of probably another $500k level room.
We also agree that the Wilson/Arc room was magical
We also thought the MBL's sounded very good
We also thought the Avante Garde room was also extremely good.
The point is Mr. Vallin hailed many systems as being best in show that in our opinion didn't deliver the goods at all
The Piega room was not anything special, the German Physics again not bad not that good either, most omni's don't sound right to us,. the Eikons were good for an all in one and the Haniwa's were just aweful other than a 1950's record they were playing which sounded great.
Best Sound of Show (price notwithstanding): This is a tough one, given that most of the contenders competed on a fairly even footing. So I’m going to declare a tie among the Stenheim Alumine Five, (We didnt hear these no comment)
the YG Hailey 2.2, the MBL 101 E, the Goebel Divin Noblesse, the Magico M2, the Magico M6, the Avantgarde Duo Mezzo XD, the German Physiks Borderlands, and the Piega Coax 711.
Best Sound of Show (for the money): I didn’t get to hear the new $695 Maggies (that’s how busy I was), which reputedly were terrific, but in my category the Eikon and the Haniwa were pretty darn appealing.
Our best in show for expensive speakers and systems was very, different then Mr. Vallen's just currious what others tought of his listings:
Our best in show no particular order
Wilson/ARC
Gryphon Room
T+A Solitare
Vimberg (best bang for the buck reference speaker at show at $36k sounded amazing)
MBL
Grande Utopia EM/Naim Statement Our pick for best in show
Avante Garde
Worst in show for very expensive setups
Both Magico rooms
YG/Audionet
Piega/Air Tight
What do you guys think of our list and comments on Mr. Vallens opinions.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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I am biased, but I thought both rooms with the new Spatial Audio speakers sounded excellent. Ditto for the lovely Salk Audio speakers, they were very impressive. As alway, the MBL room got audio prize from me, particularly with respect to their $17K stand mounts speaker. Very holographic presentation and solid bass performance sans a subwoofer. I heard the new PS Audio speakers and thought they sounded nice, but few others seemed to agree. I was really impressed with the little Vanatoo powered speakers at $350 and $550, they could be the heart of very nice modestly-priced system. Finally, I reckon the star of the show -- and I didn't get a chance to hear them, were the new $650 Magnepans. What a deal for a big sound! |
Mr. JON VALIN, STINKS!!!!! (I was there, 2015 Chicago). Magico STINKS!!!!! Martin Logan, STINKS!!!! Synergistic Research Cables & Tranquility Base, STINKS!! Silent Running Audio (SRA) the total: $11,000 STINKS!!! .... OH MY GOD!!!! Harmonic Resolution System (HRS), & Critical Mass Systems, the TOTAL: $22,000.00 (i.e. J. Valin) STINKS!!!... AND do to: FANTASIES!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, ARC, CONRAD JOHNSON, McINTOSH, darTZeel, ZANDEN, and YPSILON ELECTRONICS.... REALLY, REALLLLLLLLY GREAT!!! TARA LABS, NORDOST, HIGH FIDELITY CABLES and SCAENA LOUDSPEAKERS..... THAT'S IT! THAT'S IT'S! (32 years-old audiophile). |
kingbarbuda, Grant just posted a sketch of his new LRS/MMG stands on the Planar Asylum: https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=mug&m=236523 His idea is to make them more economical so that they don’t cost as much as the speakers. Agree that the issue with the Magicos (and many other speakers I heard) was the acoustics of the rooms, and the bad seating/crowding. I’ve heard them sounding much, much better. Also, I had to wonder at some of the demo material! Things like processed voice. How is that supposed to show off a high end speaker? But what can you do . . . |
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I would like to hear the Von Schweikert "affordable" speakers such as the VR55. My wife and I love the Ultra 11 in a $1.4 million setup but we have neither the money nor the space for it. I would like to also hear the Vimberg to compare. From my observations in friends homes who complained they rooms sounded bad, removing the awful High Fidelity cables and the less bad Ypsilon pre-amp did the trick and replacing them with cabling at 1/25 the price and ($105,000 down to $3,500) and a different tube pre-amps. Glad to hear one Magico set up finally sounded good after hearing at least 15 Magico setups that were bland or stunk over the years. |
Fleschler, the Magico setups at shows are either respected or not loved. We have never heard a Magico setup yet that we would love to floor, that doesn't mean they aren't good speakers it just means that in our experience they weren't doing it for us in the demos we heard them in The CH Precsion Magico M6 was a very expensive setup and the sound was decent but not magical for a $300k+ setup, it could nave been much more but really hard to gauge the speaekrs are $62k the MSB Dac they had two one is the $90k one and CH Precsion gear tends to run to $120k to way more depending on the specific models so in that context we were expecting much more. As per Von Schweikerts really hard to gauge them, the $1.4 million dollar setup didn't impress us at both CAP and at Axpona, the room size is just way too massive for even these large speakers, The Magico M3 on the new Classe Delta electronics was surprsingly nice sounding and the electronics were much more affordable then the mega systems. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
The "Dishonesty in "high-end" audio world" had to be removed. Some
big shot or big shooter who takes free speach in his own hands thinks its better not to see a opinion. I see to many being renowned Its not right who can talk and who can't I'm sorry to be blunt but, your point would be much clearer if you typed with correct grammar. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. |