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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
fleschler OP
1,922 posts
 

I'm glad I began this forum topic.  I feel so much better knowing that Audiogon posters are typically sensible and articulate.   We can generally disagree about audio (except for a few who also believe that tweaks are snake oil) in a more respective manner.   Nearly everyone has a different audio system and different listening rooms.  

sns
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The battle lines are drawn on the inherent battle between human senses and measuring bots, who do you trust more?  I'm a human and I choose to please myself vs bot, I don't care if some so called 'authority' deems my system inadequate.

 

On the other hand, I don't believe a measuring regime is totally without merit. I'd hope and expect those doing the design and engineering of audio components use measurements in this endeavor.

 

Innovations and improvements in measurement protocols will hopefully produce better sound quality over time. How measurements correlate with various aspects of sound quality has a long ways to go before any measurement regime can be considered Biblical in nature, IMO.

 

"A man's gotta know his limitations", assume subjectivists understand this, objectivists, not. Don't understand how so many worship gods invented by human's filled with excessive certitude, I guess some don't like greys and/or anything less than win lose outcomes. Seems to me, we now live in a society that inculcates a version of game theory that insists winning is everything and losing is the worst thing that could happen. The farmers and the ranchers should get along, so should S & O.

 

Leaves one question, if O gives up win/lose, they no longer O?

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snarfie23
39 posts
 

Lol.

 

fleschler OP
1,922 posts
 

BINGO!

td_dayton
320 posts
 

was over there reading up on something earlier today and i will agree with whoever mentioned it that it is absolutely hilarious to watch the couple guys falling all over themselves to kiss amir's ring on every review. no self respect. he's like their dad 😂

all told, i think the site is fine. whatever. we've all been around the block. some people think they have all the answers and they look kind of silly...but many of us do the same, perhaps in other areas of life. what can you do 

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