Audio Pro B2-50 Subwoofer Anyone?

I use to sell Audio Pro and Quad in the 80s. I have several sets of subs now including REL. IF your speakers actually go down that far flat I doubt if you would hear a big difference on most music. I don't really know the Tyler line well, I loaned a pair of large Hsu subs to someone with Tyler's; not sure of the model. They had a supposed list of $10,000 and weighed almost 200 lb. In this case the subs made a considerable difference and he ended up buying a sub. The 113 will generate much more bass than the Audio Pro; the question is whether you want or need it. With my Spendor S 100s or GamuT L5 I don't use subs most of the time; I don't find it necessary and I am somewhat of a bass freak. Long story short, the Fathom will give you more bass; if you think the Audio Pro is helping now then you should probably get it. I am not sure that Tyler's have the frequency range they claim; if they did I don't think the AP would be making any difference.

IMHO the B2-50 has little actual power (in db's) below 30hz (or above for that matter). There is only so much you can get out of that little box. It poop's out early.

If you have a speaker that is putting out bass that is, say, only down 3db in your room at 28db you really don't need more. It would/could/should still be putting out some substantial 20hz bass. There is very little if any musical info down there except for the very bottom organ notes. And in using it, or any sub for that matter, with a good full range speaker, it just puts out too much info in the frequencies your full range speakers handle unless you have a really sharp slope on the crossover. I wouldn't use a sub unless I have a need for bass reinforcement for inadequate or uneven bass caused by speaker placement.

I had a B2-50 and agree with Newbee. It definitely poops out early.

Thanks for your replies. Each is consistent with my thoughts. I have played with the sub on/off and do not think I am getting any deeper bass than my speakers provide. In fact, my speakers are giving 'more' bass than the sub. Each Woodmere speaker has (2) 10-inch Seas woofers in a generous cabinet, which provides good, deep, solid bass. But the size of my room (30x31x12) has me wondering if an improved subwoofer would give me anything meaningful below what my speakers can offer. I am not a bass nut, and I don't need 'more' bass. Just wondering if an improvement can be made in the impact of orchestral music. Sounds like a definite 'maybe'. I'm betting that my room is the key factor in determining the answer, and that I won't really know until I try it. Thanks again.

My main reason for using a sub is not for bass improvement.Your amp does not waste most of its power in the low (20-40 hz)end.

But remember that subs like the REL do NOT have a signal output for the main amp so can't be used that way. I believe that the JL may be similar as I think the review of one I read said that it lacked a high pass filter; I took that to mean that it also had no signal out to the main amp that had the low frequencies removed. Or at least that is how I remember it; it is late at night and I am a little sleepy. I bought a big amp just so it could drive the low end with no trouble.

Just posting back with results in case anyone was interested. I had Tyler Acoustics build me a nice, self-powered subwoofer using a single Eminence Lab 15 driver, and it has given me what I was seeking in my large room. The reason it has taken me 1.5 years to respond is a long story. I had been waiting for a TC Sounds 15" driver which had been back-ordered for 9 months. After arrival, the first unit failed, as did the second unit. My phone calls and emails to TC Sounds received no response. So, we used the trusty Eminence Lab 15 and are now happy.