Air Tight 300B Flame Out


I was listening to my Air Tight 300B amplifier (fed by a Lamm LL2.1 Deluxe preamp and driving Charney Maestro speakers) starting making popping noises through the speakers. By the time I got to the amp to look, the right channel 300B tube was lit up brightly and smoking. Obviously, I turned the amp off right away.

The 300B tubes are the new issue from Western Electric with maybe 100 hours on them.

Any ideas on what may have happened, next steps, and anyone that can service Air Tight on the west coast? The Lamm preamp is a recent addition. Wondering if the preamp somehow caused the problem?

  -GAR

gareents

@carlsbad2

+1

Yep, occationally a tube goes out. Hopefully it did not take out a protective resistor... but it may have. That is why they are there. 

Thanks all.

I have basically the same conclusion. I am thinking that the tube failed (arced), and the smoke was from a fried resistor. 

Rather than put in another tube, thinking that having the amp checked out by a tech is the best corse of action.

Some amplifiers use a sacrificial resistor to protect the amplifier when a tube fails.  In most instances, this is a simple fix although stressful when it happens to your $15k+ amp. 

@gareents I've seen what test pilot said.  But smoke is not normal.  I put a wrong tube in an amp, blew a resistor, replaced it and was making music again the next day (had to order the resistor).  In this instance, the burning smell was more noticable than the smoke.

The good news is when there is smoke, there is usually evidence of what failed--blackened, burnt, or paint discolored--so you can easily figure out where the problem is.  I'd open it up myself and look for the overheated component.

Now the bad news would be if the smoke was from a transformer.  failed tubes can take out the output transformer.  the good news is that replacement trasmformers aren't as expensive as you would think (in most cases.  My amp has hand wound transformers from Bulgaria) and they are not hard to replace. 

Tubes don't often short although they sometimes do.  More often they "red plate" where the current goes up in a runaway positive feedback syndrome.  This usually starts with either too high a bias current setting or a faulty autobias control.  Your initial description didn't sound like simple redplating.  Were there sparkes inside the tube or was the plate simply glowing red?

Finally, I've heard rumors (I don't want to spread rumors, so I am just calling this something to consider) that WE 300B tubes have been counterfeited.  I don't know where you bought yours but consider if they might be fake.  OTOH, I've also heard they have a fairly high infant failure rate which is covered by the warranty. 

All of this discussion is because you mentioned smoke.

Jerry

What is the cause of red plating, could be bad tube or loss of bias in amp, don't assume faulty tube. One way to test for this, try a cheapo 300B. But then you likely took out bias resistor or possibly something else in amp.with the smoke issue. I recently experienced a WE failure, in my case loss of vacuum, entire tube encased in opaque blue haze followed by a single pop. Since these were new tubes I was watching very carefully at powering up, was able to immediately shut down amp. No smoke in my case, but burned electrical smell.

 

In order to determine whether I had damaged anything in amp I next powered up with some cheapo 300B tubes, same pop. Immediately shut down amp and made the call perhaps my Mullard rectifier tube was the issue. Replaced with another NOS Mullard, no issues with my cheapo or Psvane Acme for several weeks now. Have the replacement WE, I'll cross my fingers and try again this weekend. So question is did WE take out rectifier tube or did rectifier tube take out WE? Loss of vacuum far different than red plating, my take is WE took out rectifier.