AI and the future of music

Questions Authority, Embrace Change

 

I am all with you for questioning authority...

But A.I. is not a "mere" change...

Anybody speaking of it as a useful tool miss completely the point...

Why do you think Hinton thought otherwise? And Josuah Benjio ?

Because A. I. is not a "mere" tool...

So useful it will be and it will be...

Because it is not a mere"change" like portable phone, Tv and the internet...

A.I. is not a tool, even if we want to use it as a tool...

It is way more than that... And it was about this dimension "way more than just being a tool" i spoke about...Machine even autonomous one cannot transform themselves in "humans" but humans can renounce themselves and merge with machines...

You illustrate it yourself confusing arts as a pleasurable leisure and its spiritual meanings as an historical mirror of the spirit...

A. I. is not about so much replacing alimentary art works in movies, illustrations or elevator music, , but more about erasing human meanings in art for robotization of design...

i am not against A. I. as a tool...

I am against the immature society inheriting something that it was not ready at all for...our society is completely upside down... Especially occidental society negating his own history and in a complete "meaning crisis" breakdown ... I will not go further here...

And A. I. is nothing... Wait till A. C. which is coming soon...

Artificial intelligence and artificial consciousness are not mere tools, thats the spiritual problem i cannot enter to here because it will be too long post...but think about it, and saying that A.I. is only a tool is misrepresenting its technology power..

But claiming that my posts reflected a refusal of change is complete misunderstanding...

Thinking is not refusing change , it is impossible to stop change, but thinking it is separating ourself as spirit from consumers crowds needs... it is to stay free that we think ...freedom exist in the act of thinking ITSELF... Nowhere else... Freedom is the ability to change ourself not the world... Ask Buddha or Christ...

A. I. is not a "mere" tool... Sorry...

But we will go on with the hypothesis it is a "mere" tool...

Guess who will control it and control you ?

Guess who designed a tool to patent the human genome and sell it ?

Guess who benefit from a crime in the last three years....

it is the same who will control A. I.

But at the end, mature A. I. cannot be controlled , it is another problem...

And A. C. is a complete another story to come soon...

There is no just a "mere change " to embrace here...

We will live through the most important times in the last millenias...

How much time had passed since humankind created this type of "tools" in the past ?

Never happened in the known history...

For 70 years we go from alone in the universe to not alone, from no atomic science to atomic science, from we are the only intelligent "machine" to the creation of more intelligent machine than us...it is not a "mere change" to embrace... it is spiritual deep stakes game here...

My spiritual question : are we just "intelligent machine " ?

No is my answer...

Then what are we

Interelated souls immersed and grounded in a universal conscious field... Not machine... Not even artificially conscious machine... This is why what is at stake here is the definition of what is a human being... The question is no more an abstracted reflective thought, it is a concrete battle with ourself...

 

 

 

Hinton pointed to the fact that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish art from machine and human one, even copyright will need a.I. analysis...But a more sophisticated A. I. will beat the copyright analysis ... Ad infinitum...

It is precisely why the difference between human and machine is a free choice in us not something that will be applicable from the exterior as illusory copyright and "original" human creation versus machine one... But most people are not even conscious they are free...Nothing is more frightening than freedom ...Slavery is confort sleep as proven in the last three years...

What is at stake is not the difference between fake and real, human or machine; it is the difference between free spirit or machine be it made of flesh or artificially made.....

Merging with machine is the most bad dream idea i ever encountered...

Human merging with humans is the only goal... discovering what we really are is the goal...

Anything else is bad comic books hell... Even comic books writer know that...

By the way: the most advanced civilization in the cosmos dont need material technology at all...They dont need Dyson sphere... 😊

How would anybody be able to tell it was machine generated?

Well, there is value and importance to ongoing discussions about AI and how society will respond/be impacted.  There are things that loom negative in the future with regard to AI.  There are also positive things as well.  This is true with pretty much every innovation.  There used to be a thriving industry in large cites and smaller towns.  Individuals and companies had contracts cleaning up all the horse droppings in the streets as horses are, shall we say, unreliable with their bowel activity.  The invention of cars killed that industry, took those jobs away.  We don't even remember them.

And I'm not ready to elevate Mr. Hinton to prophet of god status.  And I wouldn't say he "abandoned" his career when he left Google.  First, I suspect he walked out the door with quite a few millions of dollars in his pocket (good for him) and, second, I'm certain as well that he will have not problem finding very high paying work in the industry when he wants.  So don't weep for Mr. Hinton's great sacrifice and let's not put him up on a cross.  

AI will bring value to art.  I don't know exactly what value, but I'm certain it will.  Maybe it will make the creation of art more accessible to people.  Maybe it will help people find the art that most resonates with them.  For instance, there's a great website called Music Map.  It's AI driven.  If you put in the name of and artist or group you like it shows other artists or groups that are close in style.  A couple of years ago while playing with it I discovered Goose.  I listened to them and liked them enough that I saw them last fall playing with TAB and Billy Strings.  Fantastic show.

Point is, AI isn't the end of humanism.  We don't have to be so afraid.  And of course companies focus on profit.  They have to.  We live in a capitalist system.  It's not perfect, but far more "humanist" than the systems in Russia or China. If a company doesn't focus on profit it will go out of business.  I like the products of the modern world, my audio system and, as I said earlier, being able to learn and grow from forums like this one, which is made possible by the technology of the Internet.  (as long as we don't talk about cables)

Interestingly, AI might well be successfully used to spot AI generated art/music.  Isn't that a curious thought.  And with respect to copyrights, I believe the Copyright Office has declared that AI generated literature is not copyrightable.  What that would functionally mean is that even though a copyright might inappropriately granted, enforcement would be stymied should someone try to sue based on the copyright.  So it's a piece of paper (virtual) without value.  Anyway, I think maybe this is roaming a bit afield from the intention of the forum and I do loath wasting people's time on the internet, even though I am fabulously talented at wasting my own.

And if anyone from ROON is reading this, please update your predictive algorithms.  I'm really NOT interested in hearing more opera

 

I never elevated him  to God status...My godlike status persons are deep mathematicians as Goerg Cantor or Ramanujan or Alexander Grothendieck or Alain Connes or Mochizuki and some others or great mystics in all religions... No engineers so useful they could be... 😊 Hinton was courageous to speak his mind against many sleepwalking engineers at least half of them ,... Then no godlike status here...

But it is very interesting compared to Le Cun  who win the Turing prize too  and disagree with Hinton  and  to listen what he spoke about...

By speaking so and quitting Google, he was politely mocked by the Le Cun crowds...

A. I. is not a "passive"  tool at all...For me and for Hinton

Even it will be used as a passive  tool...

I will not go further here but you missed the point Hinton make i will repeat :

No one program A. I. it will program us instead ...

Thats is the gist of the spiritual problem...

i will add to that that A. I. will not stay outside of us, but as Elon Musk ask for with the like of Kurzweil, we must merge with it, they claimed...

 

And I’m not ready to elevate Mr. Hinton to prophet of god status. And I wouldn’t say he "abandoned" his career when he left Google. First, I suspect he walked out the door with quite a few millions of dollars in his pocket (good for him) and, second, I’m certain as well that he will have not problem finding very high paying work in the industry when he wants. So don’t weep for Mr. Hinton’s great sacrifice and let’s not put him up on a cross.

 

@ghdprentice 

well, we’re getting closer but, to me anyway, no cigar yet.

A blues song should take you to a new, though still familiar, emotional state; that A.I. “song” had the recognizable signposts but possessed no true emotional weight IMHO.

(listen to Statesboro Blues and rejoin the convo)

A.I. brings to mind a homunculus, a not-quite-there human being.

As long as we’re here we might as well bring up drum machines; now THAT was/is a controversial topic. I still remember finding out one of my favorite 80’s recordings utilized a drum machine…..and it was confusing emotionally trying to decide if I still liked it the same….