What year did Mothers burn down? Anyone remember? Mothers was an after-hours bar in Egg Harbor Township, NJ. It was on rt 152 just before you crossed the bridge into Somers Point. It was just down the road from the Dunes. Mothers was one of the many legendary dives in the area along with the Attic, the Dunes, Bayshores and so on. It burned practically to the ground but I can't be sure of the year this happened. It might have been the late 70's. If any of you know the year I would appreciate it if you could post the info. It would also be appreciated if you can provide any helpful links. The only thing I have found that mentions Mothers is Pointers Nightbeat The band played all afternoon, then came back and played again at night, until 2am, when everybody went to the after hour joints - the Dunes, Mothers, Attic or Brownies, all of which had live bands that played all night long, until dawn. That's the way it was for decades, until the early 1980s. Thank for the help. |
Hello, I'm new here. I googled for info on what year the EHT, NJ bar called Mothers burnt down and found nothing. Then I googled this string and got your forum. Specifically, I got this thread and posts by Shubertmaniac and Trelja. Mothers was an after-hours bar in Egg Harbor Township, NJ. It was on rt 152 just before you crossed the bridge into Somers Point. It was just down the road from the Dunes. Mothers was one of the many legendary dives in the area along with the Attic, the Dunes, Bayshores and so on. It burned practically to the ground but I can't be sure of the year this happened. It might have been the late 70's. If any of you know the year I would appreciate it if you could post the info. It would also be appreciated if you can provide any helpful links. The only thing I have found that mentions Mothers is Pointers Nightbeat Quote The band played all afternoon, then came back and played again at night, until 2am, when everybody went to the after hour joints - the Dunes, Mothers, Attic or Brownies, all of which had live bands that played all night long, until dawn. That's the way it was for decades, until the early 1980s. Thank for the help. |
Jazze22, glad to see a Bloomfield/Kooper fan in the group. My last name is Blumfield (pronounced Bloomfield) and it's interesting to see how often somebody I've just introduced myself to will say something like "Didn't you used to play with Paul Butterfield?" Gives you a read on somebody in a hurry. |
BEATLES, CSN&Y,BLUES PROJECT,TRAFFIC,BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD,DOORS,BUTTERFIELD BLUES BAND,BEACHBOYS,AND THE RASCALS FELIX CAVILIERE DID SOME GREAT STUFF WITH THE ORIGINAL BAND AND WITH MANY OTHER GREAT ARTISTS PEACHFUL WORLD,REALTHING,HAVE TO SAY HE AND AL KOOPER AND MIKE BLOOMFIELD ARE MY FAVORITES.FUN THREAD THANKS |
Trejla - I live in St. Louis. The Hip probably have come through here several times, and I will check out their website so I don't miss them again. I, like so many others, took a 10 year hiatus from getting out while kids were young and career was ramping up. Life has somewhat balanced out now, and having moved to St. Louis a couple years ago, we're now fully settled and pretty familiar with the area, and I'm starting to go see concerts again. Thanks for the URL. |
Snook2, 3rd St Jazz has passed. It was not that long ago. 2 or 3 years? I think it was a sad day for lots of people. I saw the event on the tv news. Before which, I had no idea... People were scarfing up stuff like crazy during the going out of business sale. Lots of reminiscing. Reporters asking who was to blame. Answers varied from "the decline of 'real' music, to places like The Wall or Tower Records, to the migration to the suburbs(which I am a part of), to whatever". I guess the great irony is that I had never visited the store. My musical evolution was bringing me to be a diehard jazz freak just as the store closed. A twist of irony? My loss... Shubertmaniac, the rivalry between South Philly and the Great Northeast is interesting. I am only 31, it was much more profound in previous generations. I can summize that it was probably related to the hatred that Italians and Irish shared for each other. South Philly dominated by Italians(I in fact, am an Italian who spent the first part of his life there - I don't speak like Rocky Balboa, but do say "YO!"). The Northeast had a large population of Irish(along with the groups that the Italians were friendly with - Polish, German, Ukranian, Lithuanian, Jewish, etc.). I think the rivalry was one born out of work. The Irish were hated by those already here, "Irish need NOT apply". Eventually, they broke through, but faced new competition from the other, newer immigrants. Those which English was not their native tongue. I think the Irish told the other groups to give it up, go back, you'll never make it here, these are "our" jobs(all the stuff they were previously told). I was totally unaware of these things until I was about 8 years old. My best friend was Irish(I went to Catholic school). Everything was fine for about 2 years. His brothers then used to get on me for being Italian. Conversely, everyone else in the neighborhood then used to get on me for associating with "the McKinleys". A vulgar guy a year older than me once set me down, and REALLY gave me an earful. Indeed, from then on, I was exposed to all of the derogatory terms(which I won't regurtitate). I think we have finally moved forward in my generation. Part of which may be do to assimilation into the US. Moving into the suburbs totally destroys the segregated neighborhoods where these groups lived. And also the social insitutions(churches, banks, stores, schools, etc.), which belonged to each group(Funny thing - when you ask someone from the Northeast, "What are you?", they will respond, "Italian" - or whatever. When you ask someone from a different part of the country, they will answer, "American"). But there maybe also something to the fact that there are so many new immigrants in Philly now(Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Indian, Middle Eastern, African, Hispanic, and Jamaican) that the delineations in the different European cultures seem less defined now. Although there is a LOT of hatred between American blacks, and non-American blacks(African & Jamaican). Chinese hate ALL of the other Asians. Same with Koreans. Vietnamese and Cambodians are the bloodiest rivalries(their hatred for each other goes back centuries), lots of gang violence between them. I was a boss at a factory where we had both Cambodians and Vietnamese, and was forever struggling to get them to work harmoniously. They both loved me(I am REALLY easy to work for), and always tried to get me to start to hate the other group(mostly by telling me petty stories, i.e. "They're devils). On to happier subjects... I love the Jersey shore. For those of which are not familiar with it, it is the shoreline from Atlantic City down to Cape May. Encompassing each sucessive barrier island heading south are: (Brigantine, Absecon, Atlantic City, Ventnor, Margate, Longport), (Ocean City), (Strathmere, Sea Isle City, Townsend's Inlet), (Avalon, Stone Harbor), (Anglesea, North Wildwood, Wildwood, Wildwood Crest), and (Cape May). All of these places are summer vacation spots for Philadelphia area residents. Actually, each attracted it's own ethnic group. The beaches north of A.C.(Atlantic City) are mostly for the North Jersey/New Yorkers. I know the NorthEast gets a bad rap(there was a thread here on Audiogon about this, Carl_eber had a horrible welcome "up North", and hates it up here), but that is really related to North Jersey/NY. They are the antithesis of Philadelphia. A reputation for being cold, aloof, arrogant, condescending, and snobbish. Philly people are some of the most(if not the most) friendly, loud, boisterous, generous, fun loving, no BS people in the country. Please allow me to apologize to all on this site for the absurd lenght of my post. I am sorry. |
Holy Smokes! I am shocked that I forgot the Electric Factory!! Saw many a musical at the Schubert Theatre. My username comes from Franz Schubert, but in haste I misspelled it. Actually I live on the Maryland Eastern Shore on the Chesapeake. But to see any concerts we usually took the train to Philly or New York. Went to school at University of Delaware, the ultimate party school on the east coast. Meet some friends there whose parents had places in Avalon,Stone Harbor, Wildwood. So we would go up to Margate or Somers Point. Usually go to Tony Mart's meet the ladies from Greater NorthEast Philly, or meet some fine Italian ladies from South Philly. My feeling not being a Philly insider is those parts of town did not really care for each other. Ocean City I believe was a dry town, so no action there. How about Sea Isle City?? This past summer I purchased a sailboat on the Mullica River, near Port Republic. We only made it to Cape May before the engine crapped out on us. It is drydocked there for the winter.We could not get the engine parts to get us going again till too late in the season. So we go down to Cape May once or twice a month to check her out. It's alot a fun on the way down, going the back way (old buckshutum road, west of Vineland), telling talltales about my wasted youth. But want is ironic, I tell the stories in light of the music I listened to or what the bands played. Remembering, listening to Jumpin Jack Flash dancing the night away at Tony Mart's; How many bar bands played Proud Mary to you wanted to puke. Or Chicago's Color My World, at least you got to slow dance and whisper sweet nothings, praying you would get lucky that night; wishing I was the guitarist in that bar band because I knew he wasn't going home alone. Music and the Jersey Shore a powerful combination!!! |
I used to rock and roll but what with my bum knee and all... The Who, Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton (Yardbirds, Blind Faith, Derek & Dominos), Frank Zappa, The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane (Starship,Hot Tuna), CSN&Y, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Beatles. Saw them all live except for The Beatles (fuzzy memories, tinitus and ticket stubs to show for it). I listen to and own many works by above artists. However a guest would probably hear this top 10 mixed in with the new today: Wire, The Smiths, The Chameleons, Bauhaus, The Cure, XTC, The The, The Clash, The Jam, Joy Division. Fond of the 80s'. Heavy club years I guess. Be seeing you. |
Shubertmaniac How about Bonnie Raitt at the Bijou; David Bowie at Tower Theater; Taj Mahal at the Academy. Tell me you really saw Muddy Waters at the Main Point? Don't forget the Steel Pier where I saw The Supremes AND The Temptations in 1965 (10-15 minutes per set). Man Philly had a bunch of venues. Also The Electric Factory (Big Brother and Janis Joplin in was it 69?). And of course the free summer concerts at Robin Hood Dell in Fairmont Park. What great memories. |
WOW!!! You're really bringing back memories Shubertmaniac. Speaking of you, is your named derived from our Shubert Theater? Just wondering... Do you live in this area? Saw the aforementioned Tragically Hip/Eric Johnson concert at the Tower. Not sure whatever happened to EJ, Cogito. I am definitely a Jersey Shore kind of guy. I have a home in Sea Isle City. Sounds like you would have a story or two to tell from there. Maybe the LaCosta, Ocean Drive, Springfield Inn, Dead Dog Saloon, etc... My neighbor is an old time folk singer, who founded the Philadelphia Folk Festival, and was the original owner of The Main Point(being that you brought the place up). Had people by the name of Billy Joel, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, etc. play there before anyone knew who they were. He's 85 years old, and one of the coolest people I have ever met. Too bad he hates rock... His children are also noted musicians. Tim Britton, his son, an Irish piper. The Britton Sisters(his two daughters), a folk duo. The Philadelphia Inquirer did a front page story on him(for the 30th Anniversary of the festival or something). In the article, some lyrics were printed from one of his old(60's???) songs, "Barefoot, Bearded, and Bedraggled". "I'm barefoot, bearded, and bedraggled. Stoned and drunk as I can be. I'm the counter-culture, and I'm all folked up..." Not bad, in my opinion. I'll never forget them. Great for laughs. Great thread you started here! |
Trelja.Philadelphia?? A Jersey Shore kind of guy?? Somers Point? Margate? The Dunes at 5am?? 1972-75 a fabulous bar band: The Sky Band!!!! Did you see them???? T-Bar on McDade Blvd? Tower Theatre??Mann Music Center?? Academy of Music?? Saw Billy Joel in 1974 at the Academy one of the best rock/pop concerts because of the acoustics. I forgot the Main Point in Bryn Mawr, saw THE BEST CONCERT THERE:MUDDY WATERS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST!!!! Sorry to say even better than my beloved Yardbirds. Did you sample the Yardbirds latest??? Sorry about the demise of WFLN?? What is it now the Point or something?? |
Kthomas-The Hip tour nearly incessantly, however it's usually not heavily advertised and at small venues-unless it's in Canada where they sell out stadiums. They've only just started to catch on in the US, although where I'm from in the Cleveland area, they're huge and I've been catching them yearly since 91. Lately, they've been here twice yearly. Check out www.thehip.com for info and concert schedules etc. They are truly one of the best and most entertaining shows on the road. Gordie lives in his own universe on stage, and the musicianship is impeccable. I think they're on hiatus presently, but an album should be forthcoming with the tour to ensue. Catch em if you can. Check the website out sometime. Mark |
Mes - I'd really like to see Tragically Hip live. I haven't seen any sign of them touring in the last couple years, though with their recent release they may be out doing so now. Some of their stuff strikes me the same way as the Rainmakers - don't know if you're familiar with them because most of their CDs have to be ordered internationally, but I have seen them live to great satisfaction. |
Thanks for the info, Bencambell. Doing one's old stuffs is nothing unusual like Blackmore doing Deep Purple songs with Rainbow or Clapton digging Cream, Blind Faith, or Derek and Dominoes stuffs. The same goes with cover tunes. But, taking credit for the songs they did not write (as long as main themes are intact) is an act of robbing, materially or otherwise. I am a bit disappointed at Zep in terms of integrity though it may not diminish their achievement for other songs. It sounds that they were rather blatant going about it. What I do not understand is why the original songwriters did not do anything about it at the time. Perhaps, Britain had different laws. At any rate, thanks once agin for the info. |
Beatles(none compare), Beach Boys(Brian W. musical genius),Pink Floyd(creativity with no boundries), Steely Dan (Fagan always brilliant),Doors(Robbie needs more credit),Elton John(worth another listen),Peter Frampton(too bad just 1 great album),Sting(great song writer),Men at Work(2 GREAT albums),Julian Lennon(surprised?),Three Dog Night(did write anything, but good producers) |
Ben Campbell: I recollect at a benefit concert in 1983/4? E Clapton, J Beck, J Page were somehow on stage together, and of course the song they could all agree on was The Train Kept A Rollin' My take on these three guys is that they do not care for each other;maybe I am wrong. I do know this: Eric hates the Yardbirds. Jeff thinks they hampered his career and claims he would rather die than play I'm A Man again.Jimmy only talks about Led Zep and rarely mentions his involvement in the group. Sad to me but long live the Yardbirds having a Rave Up anyway!!!!!! |
Trelja: My mistake the Jack Holmes'Youngblood song was I'm Confused, not I'm Dazed, sorry. How did I get so much info on the Yardbirds, easy I read the very extensive liner notes on their CDs. Jim McCarty usually gives a little interview on many of the recent compilations. God there are some Yardbirdies that know everything, what dates for every concert, who they dated, etc. I'm somewhere in the lower middle. Also there is an official Yardbirds website with a great interview with Jim McCarty. I will say this, Sometime in 1966 I saw them as the opening act for the Rolling Stones(don't get me wrong, I love them too). The line up was JBeck JPage as co lead guitars, C. Dreja, moved to bass, JMcCarty Drums, and KRelf vocals and harmonica. The anticipation that night was electric because for most of us none had seen either group From their opening chord to the final note was guitar fireworks with maximum intensity. An almost uncontrolled chaotic cacophony had taken hold of them that night. At my show, they did two encores we wanted more. The blues call/respond of Relf's harmonica and the guitars was stunning. The Rolling Stones came on, they started to play one of their standards and it was like a collective sigh, like a bubble had burst. It was not that they were that bad, not at all! The Yarbirds were that good live. In retrospect Richards and Jones just could not keep up with Beck and Page. But who could???? The live set on Cumulus Cloud gives a good vision what this group was capable of; minus J Beck. Happenings Ten Years is great; and their standard I'm a Man is a 6 minute guitar/psychodelic improv. You can preview the album on CDNow at their website. Is it worth buying for the four live songs and their version of dazed and confused?? I've played the cd for two weeks straight but according to some people I'm braindead so what do I know. |
Cogito-Zep were pretty blatant in their early days for taking old blues standards changing little and crediting themselves. Willie Dixon in particular suffered and eventually Zep paid out royalties in the late 80's I believe. Dazed & Confused I believe(can't check at the moment)is credited to Page/Plant/Jones although the song was a feature of the Yardbird days. I believe it is similar but different enough to maybe get away with it. Likewise songs such as In My Time Of Dying was a standard (Dylan did it on his first album) but completely rearranged in epic style. The Yardbirds connection continued throughout their career-with tracks such as White Summer(Page instrumental) and on their final European tour in '80 they used to start with The Train Kept A Rollin'-the first song they ever did as a band and a Yardbirds standard |
Treja. I noticed that you are the only other Yardbirdie on this thread. Have you heard their "new" release?? Cumulus Cloud. It is unreleased material from 1967/1968,their last/lost year. It is material that Jimmy Page did not want released, for reasons that become apparent once you listen. I guess he finally relented, since had legal the rights to the Yardbirds name/some of the music. The final line-up was Jimmy Page/lead, Chris Dreja/bass, Jim McCarty/drums and Keith Relf/vocals and harmonica. The album is a mix of studio and live. An awesome "I'm a Man" live from a German concert;this is were Jimmy starts to use the bow to play the guitar. This was not a Led Zep invention! But the final song of this album(recorded in June 1968) was none other than "Dazed and Confused"!! Jim McCarty heard the Youngbloods' in concert and loved one of there songs called Dazed; Jim and Keith wrote new lyrics; changed the title, Jimmy added the bow and the searing guitar licks, with Keith blowing his harmonica; the vocals will set you back alittle Keith doesn't have the lungs of Robert Plant that is for sure. For a two take studio session, it will startle you on what they could accomplish. Jim and Keith soon left; Jimmy asked Chris if he wanted to stay on. Chris said no. Jimmy wanted to form the New Yardbirds, but decided on the new name Led Zeppelin. |
Hi Charlie so you remember. That is also what I remembered about them. They were an excellent touring band and fun as well. Kind of looked like they had been in the saddle for a month or so after a long hard ride. If John Dawson wasn't a quintessential hippy type, I can't imagine who would better fit the bill (maybe Jerry Garcia?) Sory for the misspeling SD! |
Dr. Hook, Boyce and Hart, Chocolate Watchband, Electric Prunes, The Seeds, 13th Floor Elevator, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Flo and Eddie, Turtles, Sly and The Family Stone, Zaager and Evans, Jan and Dean, Country Joe and the Fish, Rick Springfield, Kinky Freidman, Strawberry Alarm Clock, Spice Girls, Prince, Sgt. Barry Sadler, Link Wray, Pat Boone, Gary Puckett and the Union Gap, Starlight Vocal Band, Bee Gees, Survivor, Spanky and Our Gang, Archies, Garland Jeffries, and Up With People. |
Beatles(yup they did rock too 'though not much),Led Zeppelin,The Doors,The Smiths,Pink Floyd,Radiohead,Steely Dan,The Who,Rolling Stones....otherwise mm we're into songwriters Springsteen,Dylan et al. The category is open to discussion as what's in or out. By the way you spell Zeppelin as above that's driving me nuts IT'S ON THE COVERS OF THE ALBUMS!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. :-0 |
