Ethics: To what degree?


I am in a difficult position. As a member of the Agon community I’ve read threads that have dealt with the problems other members have had with various manufacturers, distributors or dealers. From a safe distance it’s always been easier to empathize with any of the parties involved, until some new information tips the balance in one direction or another. Sometimes other Agon’ers side with different parties in the dispute, making for entertaining and enlightening dialogue.

As someone who has close friends in the high end business, and as someone who has a deep emotional investment in the hobby, I can say I understand very well the pitfalls faced by anyone who struggles to make a living by manufacturing, marketing or selling luxury devices that are, arguably, not intrinsic to daily life. And it’s important to separate the user side from the seller side, because expectations are rarely synchronous. Moreover, we’re all human beings with different sets of values, mores and ethics – what some deem as inexcusable, others might consider not only acceptable, but expectable.

So what’s my problem? That is whether to bring to this forum my recent experiences with a well-known high-end manufacturer, whose products are almost universally admired or loved. I won’t yet mention the name of the manufacturer because events are still playing out…and yet this is one of the points that I wish to address here with the hopes that the community will help me determine what I should do.

I have loved this product. It has been an integral part of my system – a system that is of extreme importance to me since I use it in my professional work. I purchased the product with some concern because the local dealer had just brought the product in and wasn’t really familiar with it. I was, to my knowledge, his first customer of this product. The unit was actually employed – with my permission – as an audition unit before I took possession. I received a 10% discount – the smallest discount I have ever received, which is interesting since I have received very favorable pricing accommodation from high-end dealers elsewhere around the country – which should indicate the level of my interest. Within weeks of my purchase the unit had to travel to the Midwest, to the factory authorized tech, for a repair under warranty. After its return the unit functioned without flaw until about seven weeks ago when it failed. The failure was mechanical and the warranty has expired. The US distributor and I are at an impasse over the use of replacement parts, not to mention costs of repair versus replacement. Since the company insists on replacement, at a very high cost, the money I would make from a subsequent sale will be considerably less. I will leave the story there, until I hear from other members who feel any definitive information should be included in this thread. I will note that two very high-profile members of the high-end community were shocked when I told them what was occurring and one, whose name you all know well (but who would like to remain above the fray for obvious reasons), just told me to cut my losses and move on. I tend to agree with him.

My quandary is this: the US distributor knows that I intend to sell this product so he is banking on my keeping quiet about my distress - at least until after I sell it. Ethically, I don’t believe I can keep quiet about this situation; as a member of the community I feel compelled to disclose my experience not just to a potential buyer of my component but also to anyone who might consider purchasing one of this company’s products. Frankly, the issue for me is the complete lack of empathy from the distributor and the complete unwillingness to find a compromise; and as one whose business stems completely from references, I find this behavior to be an anathema.

How, and where do other members stand on this situation? Is there value in detailing this interaction, even at the potential cost to my wallet?
islandear
I have to assume that the unit you're going to be selling is either new (i.e., a replacement unit) or repaired. If it were the latter, I would disclose that fact, but if it were the former, I can see your quandry. I would definitely tell a buyer about the circumstances around the unit if they were to ask about it; whether I would so state in the ad would depend. If the replaced unit had functioned properly for a long time but then broke down from age, and my only complaint was that the manufacturer/distributor would only replace rather than repair the unit, I might not feel compelled to mention it in the ad. On the other hand, if it broke the day after its one year warranty was up and I had doubts about that model's reliability in general, I'd feel differently about not disclosing it in the ad, because the next buyer might have the same problem after a week or so with the new unit.

I had a similar situation many, many years ago back in the late 80s--a well regarded CD player I got was in for repairs within a month or two after I bought it with a skipping laser, and stayed in the repair shop for over 6 months. When it came back, I had replaced it with another manufacturer's player, so I sold it to a friend, and I did disclose the prior problem and the long repair time. Of course, after the sale it worked great for a month, but broke down again with the same problem, right after the warranty had expired so I took it back from my friend and gave him his money back. Ultimately, after I wrote to the manufacturer, the manufacturer was good enough to let me buy a new unit of the replacement model for dealer cost to make up for the bad experience, and after discussing the pros and cons with him I let my friend buy that replacement unit for that price with the undertanding that I'd buy it back from him if it had the same kind of problems within a reasonable peiod after he started using it--fortunately, the unit actually is still in use today.

I guess that the way I think you should look at it is what would you do if the person you were going to sell it to on the A-goN was your friend. Follow that way of dealing and your conscience will be clear and you'll have less problems if something goes wrong. Just my $0.015--inflation's getting worse by the hour.
Thanks, lady and gentlemen. Great responses so far. The consensus seems to be that disclosure is the best path to take. I will conclude my dealings with the manufacturer and then detail the transaction.

In reply to Pbb, my status is the same as yours. I'm just someone who works hard for his money - as you probably do - and who doesn't want to be taken for granted or, simply put, screwed. I'd kinda like to think that everyone here on Agon was on the same page, but I know that's naive. I am NOT going to affect my dealings with the manufacturer with anything I write here, but I am hopeful that any disclosure I do make might end up aiding another fellow in Audiogon, the "community." As to cravings, geez, I sure would like to have my system back together so I can listen to music...right now that would be the special status I seek.
I can empatize with you about your sitituation. However, I do believe the manufacture is legally right and you are wrong in this situation, based on the information presented so far. But that does not mean I agree with the way they are choosing to handle you as a customer.

To me, Audiogon forums are a "hobbyist community". We need to stop censoring ourselves, STATE ALL YOUR FACTS AND LET ME DECIDE IF I WANT TO AVOID THAT BRAND. The brand is welcome to state its case as well.

I personally will take your brand specific mention with a
grain of salt. However, if 10 others chime in with the same
brand specific complaints, and treatment, then your brand mention and theirs has relevance to future buyers. Why should the truth be secerct?

This site needed a post like this. I personally think we hobbyists are far to lenient in regard to speaking about poor customer service and or issues with manufactures products.

You are not alone. I may at some point air my grievances, but I am still in the middle of the situation.
But I am glad this post now exists.

David

The notion that you are seeking some status above that of audiophile is your reference to "close friends in the high end business,". What does it have to do with the price of bacon?