Manley vs VTL??


What is the difference? Aren't they the same people with two intermingled companies? I recall Manley amps being built by VTL with both names on the face plates. Does anyone know about these two companies? Does their gear sound the same?
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David lives in France now. There was a rumor that he would once again start manufacturing amplifiers. Under what name your guess. Shaun from ESP loudspeakers also is near him and they are good friends that may have a venture together.
I had one listening experience with the VTL amps. I ended up buying the Manley Neo 250's. Ms. Manley "bent over backwards" to provide an audition opportunity before I purchased because there are no dealers in my state. She/their customer service has been outstanding since I purchased the amps.
Maybe not the same but similar, in as far as similar designs (ie. MB450 vs Neo500) which are evolutions of past designs. Both are optimized for 5 ohm speakers. The companies are diverting more as time passes and I've heard rumours that trend will continue in surprising ways. Their preamps, integrated and smaller amps are completely different designs. Any similaritiy in sound is due to their dedication to make it best.

Manley has always been more into elite professional equipment and that still is the bulk of their business.