Vintage Tube Amps, I'm Lost


I want to try a few of the older vintage tube amps just for the fun of it. When I looked into them, I was overwhelmed. Dynaco ST-70, Fisher, Scott, Eico, Lafayette, Harmon Kardon Citation. OK, I want to keep it simple and try a few of these. Here are some parameters: Stereo power amp, 35-50 wpc RMS. Any recommendations you have between the list above would be helpful. Also, there are a ton of guys modifying these amps. Anyone you prefer over the other and why. If you prefer not to mention some information, then email me directly. I'd like to narrow down my choices and buy something to play with.

I thought that the Dynaco ST-70 would be a great place to start but someone told me the Fisher and Scott amps are preferred to the Dynaco amps by people who have experience with vintage tube gear.

Thanks and Happy Listening
bigkidz
It really depends on what you mean by vintage! 30 years ago 50 watts was easy but almost all of it solid state much of it garbage. 40-45 years ago was the quote "golden age." I have a suspicion this is what you want. 60 watts per channel was almost unheard of except for the aforementioned EL34 based Marantz 9 which is a major target for Asian knockoffs not to mention the legitimate Marantz * reissue by VAC. Virtually every thing else was based on two tubes per side EL-84s whether it be the 6BQ5 (same tube) the slightly more powerful 7591, or the most powerful the 7868, they all ran under 30 watts a channel in real life. You simply need to get the right high efficiency speakers to use them. I own 2 Sherwoods with 7591s and 7868s they were a lesser known brand. Most people like the Scott variants and the Fishers, they rarely go for more than $500 except the exceptionally clean rarer models. If you want a real Marantz in great shape (mono blocks), they will cost you more than a very good modern amp, 8- 10 thousand. The Harmon Kardons were never that sought after but I don't know why, you might want to listen to some. Be careful about people who refurbish the amps so extensively they are really not vintage amps anymore, they have been modernized so you lose the vintage sound, if you really want it. I can tell you it has its moments but is not particularily favored in light of what you can get today sonically. Experiment, get one that works well and get some same era speakers and you'll know what it sounds like. Its somewhat dark sounding rolled off not much low bass (that takes power) it can be very sweet in the mids.
If you mean vintage like 30 years ago get the Macs they will drive almost anything. Or if you want the late 70s second age of major audio buying especially the big reciever or integrated amp try the Sansui, Kenwood, Pioneeer, Marantz (Japan), a really good example of a mid line one will cost you only about $300. By about 1980 Japan started outsourcing already to the rest of Pacific rim and quality dropped dramatically. Don't be mad if you find the sound not to your liking. The big problem with these amps and recivers is finding any left over or scavanged circuitboards.The older stuff was frequently hard wired butnot always. Repairs get expensive or are just not possible I spent nearly 6 months trying to replace a circuit board in a top o the line Kenwood and gave up. Therefore I highly recommend if your going this route let someone else do the hard work of getting the item into shape without detroying it's character.-
Most of the EL84 based amps (fishers, scotts, eico,heath and more) are 20 watts max. many will only put out 12 to 18 watts continuous. They sound great but don't have much power. The EL34 amps will usually go 35 to 40 watts. KT66/KT88 & 6550 amps will put out decent power too-at a price.
I stay away from dynacos due to overpricing. Also, the dynakits tended to be home built. Some people did great jobs others were ????
If you find a garage sale amp for $50-go for it. I'd be weary of someone else's upgrades.
If you want to check out completely upgraded vintage gear that sounds amazing and has a warranty, check out mapleshade.com. They love to rebuild old fishers.
Also, audioclassics.com specializes in vintage amps, especially mac. You will pay a lot but will get nice quality.
Personally, if you don't have much experience here, you may want to play with inexpensive new gear first to get an idea. Antique sound labs and Jolida have some inexpensive stuff used.
Dynacos are actually cheap compared to other popular vintages.
First of all, you need to figure out exactly how much power is needed. 35-50... I would pick 50 just to be safe.

2nd, depends on the speaker design, some amps sound better with enclosed vs ported or vise versa.

Unless it is super rare collector's item like Marantz 9/10B, I wouldn't worry much about the upgrades. Just make sure that you don't pay much higher price for them. Worst case you can replace to desire parts yourself.

What's the right budget? you decide. If you want to get a collectable unit then you got to pay the price. At same time, these units will hold its value unless you over pay too much.

For any unknown or less known, $200 to $600 is the most I would pay since you can't dump them for any higher price after you decide not to keep it.

For the power you need, Push pull KT88/7027A/6550 would be the primary choice. Some Quad tube EL34 amp (Marantz 9) would be nice but pricy. Other slightless less power ones like 5881 or 6L6GC would be 2nd choice.