Objective vs. Placebo relating to system changes


I am continually baffled by the number of people that are convinced that changes to power cords, speaker wires, interconnects, etc. in their systems result is objectively real changes. While I won't go so far as saying that making these changes absolutely doesn't make a difference, I would love to have the resources to challenge people prove it to me and test it with my own ears.

Here's what I would do if time and financial resources were no object (I'm visualizing retired millionaires that are audiophiles).

I would build a listening room where the only components in the listening space were the speakers and the speaker cables coming through opening in the wall where the rest of the system was setup. The idea would be to allow the test subject the opportunity to create their system of choice and then have the opportunity to become very familiar with the system by spending hours listening. Then I would let them know when I was going to start changing different components on them on a very random basis and they should report any changes that they heard so we could link the changes to any potential changes on the other side of the wall.

Here's a short list of things that I'd try:

(1) I would replace the upgraded power cord with the stock unit.
(2) I would install or remove isolation (e.g. Nordost sort kones) devices from a component.
(3) I would replace interconnects with basic quailty products.
(4) I would replace well "broken-in" cables with otherwise identical new ones.

Depending on the results of doing these test slowly over a period of time I would consider swapping out some of the more major components to see how obvious a macro change was if the listener wasn't aware that a change had been made.

I can tell the difference between new and broken in speakers (on ones that I'm familiar with) so I know this break-in is very real and would also not be at all surprised with differences from amplifiers and analog sources being obvious. I'm not as sure about digital sources.

So the question is, what components in your system would you be confident enough to bet, say $1,000, that you could identify that something changes if it was swapped out?

In my system I am sure that I could identify a change in amplification or speakers, but highly doubt that I could do the same with any cables, isolation devices, or digital sources. Maybe I just reduced myself to being a non-audiophile with low-fi gear?
mceljo
No matter how much discussing, arguing, theorizing or amount of skepticism, some truths will always be truths:

- wether because of natural ability, or training and willingness to be open-minded, not every listener will posses the same level of hearing acuity.

- the sound of music and the electronic signals that it is converted to for our convenience are so complex, and hence fragile, that just about anything you do will affect the audible characteristics TO SOME DEGREE. Wether any given listener is capable of hearing those effects is a different story.

- of course there's quackery and placebo; so what?, it doesn't change the above.
How many times have some of us sat with friends discussing wine only to discover that they claim that they cannot tell the difference between diffent reds/merlots/cabernets, etc. Many times I found it was because they never really cared or tried to determine the differences in the first place. To many, a red is a red. And mostly because they haven't really ever tasted a really good wine in the first place. So all wines taste the same to them. Same is true for audio equipment and sound. I don't try to tell people what they like. That to me is the very definition of a snob. I try to find out what they know first. Do they have any knowledge or experience with sound, musical instruments, etc.? Do they know what a real cymbal, violin (yes, they all sound different), piano, really sound like or are they used to digitized musical machine sound. Do they know depth, dimension, soundstage? real questions. When demostrating equipment, one must make sure that the gain level is absolutely the same so that diffenences can't be simply caused by a change in volume or gain. My Daughter is a classical dancer, and I played classical violin, oboe, sax, etc. I was first chair violinist. I know what the instruments are supposed to sound like. I know what a real concert live sound like. When I demo equipment, I use her young ears to help me determine differences. I play music with dimension, soundstage, multiple instruments and depth. I ask her where the artist are on the stage, how deep in her mind the soundstage is, etc. Then I change the piece of equipment and make sure the gain is the same and play the same music and we listen deeply. She has become very good at determining differences or no differences as it were. What I don't know is what the recording engineering and sound engineer actually recorded and mastered. Which may be totally different that what I expected. My point is, do the people we are dealing with actually know what they are suppose to hear in the first place. many times one must be educated in this. Wine, cars, music, audio, etc. Everything is a science. I have been part of and have also done demonstrations where simple changes in interconect cables were made and there were as I am sceptics in the crowd and we heard dramatic differences in sound. Apples to apples. proper costs point in auditioning equipment, making sure the gains are matched before critical listening and agreeing on what we are trying to identify. Just grabbing someone off the street for a quick demonstration may not be an accurate way to do it either. My questions above still apply. Do they know what they are listening for? Are they raised on compressed digital music from drum machines and digital reproduction of music instruments? So that when they hear the real thing, they prefer the artifical sound over the real because that is all they know? Have they very heard a sound stage or dimensions in reproduction? I take comments about cables, and differences in equipment with a grain of salt. I don't the person talking and don't know their background enough to determine if they can tell the differences. Time with that person or back and forth about known equipment, cables, sound, or music gives us common ground. Better yet. Going to a store, sitting in the same room, listening to the same equipment and music and comparing notes, works wonders. But, cables unfortunately do make a difference. Until cable manufactures make cables with zero impedance over the frequency range, there will be differences. And yes, they are getting close with the extremely expensive cables that have electronic R-L=C filter networks designed to cancel the inductance and capacitance impedances over a frequency range. Stupidly expensive.

enjoy
Mceljo - I'd love an opportunity to be convinced, but my location is not near either of you that offered.

Are you close to Los Angeles downtown, California? I can demo and show you what cables and isolation of component make difference in sound system. I welcome everyone.