To Tube or not to Tube......


For quite some time now I've been thinking about switching from a solid state to a tube power amp. My Threshold T-100 has been real good to me and I do like it, but it's really the only "high-end" amp I've ever owned, so it's all I know. I'm intrigued by the "warm" sound of tubes and do have a tubed phono amp and CD player, but I am by no means well-versed in the sound of tube power amps having never really auditioned one. I know that goes against the prevailing wisdom and I should listen before I buy, but I don't think I will have the luxury of doing that.

That being said, I've gone through about 20 pages of this forum reading about the benefits and detriments of tubed power amps but nothing I've read has swayed me either way. The posts I've read have been informative re: bias issues, reliability, blowing fuses or whatever else might blow up or go wrong with the tubs, etc. So, if I were to go the tube route, I would not want deal with too much of that hassle. At lease I know that the amp I have doesn't have any such issues. That's why I was leaning toward amps like BAT with their auto biasing (I also need balanced inputs), and would want at least 60-100 wpc. I would be willing to deal with adjusting bias so long as it was a relatively simple process.

I figured I would pose my main question to the exerts here (and this I did learn for this forum): given what I already have in my system, what tube amp would be a good match for me? My pre-amp is a SS Threshold, JM Lab speakers with a "minimum impedance of 4 Ohms," EAR 834P phono stage, & Unison tube cd player.
Much appreciated.
ebuzz
I use and have used over many years a lot of tube guitar amps and various hybrid or all SS amps, and the tone when ovedriven isn't necessarily the way to see what's what with a particular amp. I find any amp will develop a greasy overdrive when pushed, and often it's helped along with a (usually SS) distortion gizmo which further complicates the issue. I met Jimi Hendrix and watched him play a couple of times from about 9 feet away, and noticed that he often played using a clean tone at reasonable levels but, of course, using two (or 3) piles of high powered tube amps with 16 speakers in 4 cabinets made it possible to get his guitar to feed back at will. He cranked it also at times (with an early SS fuzz box), but those brilliant "comping chord" fill things were clean (but loud enough!). I judge any amp by its ability to put out a nice, powerful, and interesting clean punch...and add in the the grease fest from there onward. Low preamp settings with unristricted (not held back by master volume level) output power tubes (or transistors) will demonstrate the tonal characteristics and "feel" (instantaneous response) of an amp, and an experienced guitar player can easily "feel the differences between tube and SS in a New York minute. This translates easily to home gear, and I see the differences in the tonal response of tube or SS hifi amps as fitting exactly with what I've learned from my seemingly endless guitar and hifi amp fiddling. It's like comparing apples to other apples.
Ebuzz...remember, you can get 2 Jolida JD502Ps and run them in mono at around 120 watts per side. You can start with one and add another one when your tax refund comes in...nothing like 2 power amps with 16 tubes to heat up the room and confound your friends. I was gonna do this but my single 502 gets enough music into the place by its little self. Also, Rick at Audioforce sold me my amp (official Jolida dealer, and the best deal I found at the time), and the upgrade was done by Jolida MD before shipping, which was also a very good deal.
I was waiting for your input Wolf. Although 2 amps sounds nice, for the foreseeable future that isn't doable for me. That being said, I'm sticking to just one amp. My guess would be that you are of the opinion that a new 1000P would do me better than an "excellent condition" ARC VS 115 with 2 sets of tubes, one set brand new?
Hurry and make a decision, I want to do this today? LOL :)
Well, tubes might just be the ticket for you. Soundstage is usually a strength attributed to tube amps, as for separation I'm not sure what context you are referring to. But, I'll concede what tube amps might be more inclined to fulfill your desires within your budget to those that might have more intimate knowledge of such things. At least they will have now have a better baseline to work from to put forth appropriate recommendations. Best of luck!
The ARC amp seems like a really sweet deal and I bet the thing sounds great. That particular model amp is way cool. Resale value has merit, and I think well maintained used gear is always the way to go if it's discounted enough, as that amp seems to be. As a surfer I always think it's a good thing to "get tubed."