a great take on big$ cables


i was talkin to a friend about cables & wire's & no matter how hard i try to tell him its not needed he wont budge because he has heard that big buck wires are the way to go,i even showed him this web page & after reading it his response was this "if they didnt work then why would they sell them" after talking for hours i gave up & gave him a demo,he heard no difference & neither did i but he still believe's.

there isnt alot of info published on wires except by manufacturer's so i thought i'd post this so every body could enjoy it.

this is a link to roger russell's web site where he gives his thought's on wire's & cable's & reports on blind testing that was done,if your not familuar with him he was a audio engineer for many years & from some of the gear i own that he designed i'd say a damm fine engineer too.

if you are of the belief that big buck cable's are not worth using you may get a chuckle but if your a firm believer then you might be bummed out,anyway's here's the link if you care to read about wire's.

{http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm}
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'faith' is the 'biggest' difference in wire upgrades.
Try making that argument fly with my wife. Claims to hear significant differences between cables and cords. What a fool, huh?
The following is my engineering interpretation of power cord contribution to good sound. If you have to ask, then I also didn't think they'll make a difference, but reality strikes, my friend!
I've heard amps distorting big time with certain (expensive!) power cord while other amps sounded great with the same. Nothing wrong with either amp!
So why is it?
If you interpret power cords as extension of the "miles and miles" of Romex, inevitably it sounds real dumb that they'll make any difference.
Here is what they are: they are the piece of wire that is closest to your equipment. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Why?
Because audio equipment is affected by NOISE. It's supposed to amplify 20 Hz to 20 KHz, but the circuit doesn't know that!
Audio circuits pick up radio frequency and "mix" it with the audio. This is no technical mumbo-jumbo. Just ask any RF engineer about intermodulation with circuit non-linearity and they'll pull a stack of papers on the topic. Very scientific.
The "funny" thing about radio frequency is that it radiates from antennas and picked up by antennas. The antenna has to be related to the wavelength of the RF emmisions, so short wires are almost "perfect" for that. Yucks!
Well, you might say, there is no short wire. It's an extension of miles and miles. Not so!
When it comes to very high frequencies, the wire's miniscule inductance (very scientific - check technical specs!) is large enough to make the far end of it irrelevant. That's a great simplification, of course, unless one wants to solve Heavyside/Maxwell equations. I don't recommend that...
Now that we understand the nature of wires in close proximity, perhaps we'll be more open-minded about the effects of these wires on the system.
Now, those of you in the rural area might think that they don't have RF pollution to worry about... Wrong!
Guess what. The power supply in any equipment is a source of RF noise. Ahh?! Say what?!
If you have a high speed scope, pull it out and sample (at your own risk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) the rectifier diodes at the switching point. Zoom in and enjoy the view!
There are several mechanisms in which RF pickup muddies audio. One was mentioned above - direct mixing. The most common might be the impact on jitter in digital audio sources. RF has its nasty ways of leaking through stray capacitance. In average equipment it takes very little effort to reach clock circuits and add a few nanoseconds of "fuzziness" to your timing reference. This topic has been analyzed to great boredom, so just search for exact details. The jist of it is that very few nanoseconds of jitter are enough to cause distortion of the non-harmonic type - the worst there is. Audible products that do not relate to the music tones!
If you don't accept that jitter is an issue then you are seriously wasting your time reading all the way to this point. It's too scientific, perhaps.

So now we understand three things:

1) short wires in close proximity to the equipment differ from miles of Romex in regard to RF rejection (elementary Physics).

2) Any system with a power supply emmits RF. (you can verify this yourself - again: at your own risk!!!!!)

3) Low levels of RF mixed with audio are not nice. (Just ask any RF engineer)

Any more comments about the "myth" of power cords?!
Mind you, I don't advocate paying $2,000 for these, but at least be aware that they are doing something other than draining your bank account. Some power cords do RF filtering extremely well!
This is a minor correction to my last post in this thread.

Jitter is measured in picoseconds, not nanoseconds. That's how sensitive clock circuits are. Jitter in the order of 300+ picoseconds already has a major impact on sound quality from a digital source. You'll hear that as a "fuzzy" imprecise soundtage.
One picosecond is one milionth of one milionth of a second, or ten to the minus twelve for you techies...
You don't need much to cause harm!
If I've decided there's do difference in cables (my dogma) and I'm stubborn enough, I'll probably never hear any difference in cables. That doesn't necessarily mean there is no difference. It just means that I refuse to hear them. That's fine, whatever floats your boat, but that doesn't mean everyone has to subscribe to your dogma. But why is it that there's always someone trying to convert others into believing their dogma? My dogma got run over by my kharma! BTW: The world is flat you know and the entire universe revolves around the earth.
SERUS

good info on rfi's affects on power cord's & i couldnt agree more,i know its an old peice of gear but one of my favorite peice's is the cary cad5500 cd processor which remove's rfi interference from cd playback,that single peice of gear make's a huge difference.

just to clear the record i'm not trying to convert anybody into believing anything about cable's but there is a point to everything & also an oponion & information.

anytime somebody put's out info from the other side of the cable camp its taken as a direct attack on cable owners instead of taking it as it was meant,have i heard difference's in cable's, power cord's & wire's with my own ear's,yes i have but do i think they are a upgrade,for the most part i do not.

my personal belief is that cable's & power cord's do infact work because ive heard them work but i also believe that the benifits obtained from running exotic cabeling can be matched & even beat by going in another direction like by running a (quality) preamp with tone controls as jaybo suggested above or by getting away from gear that runs in low ohmage's,serus made a fine point in his post about how shitty rfi can make things sound but there is gear made to handle that problem that can be used instead of running exotic cable's.

i would rather fix & or control weak problem area's within my system with electronic's that have resale value as oposed to running exotic cabeling & loosing 50% of my investment as soon as i buy them.

mike.