I am not sure this will get posted here but I will post it on other sites.Here is an interesting and enlightening read on J.Tinn and Emmlabs.
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/oregon/ordce/3:2007cv00963/84055/181/0.pdf?1270846062
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/oregon/ordce/3:2007cv00963/84055/181/0.pdf?1270846062