I see the issue with ABX blind testing

You read my post the wrong way as it suit you...

I insisted on acoustics experiments learning...NOT ON MY ROOM S.Q. save anecdotally which was my laboratory ....

It does not matter how sound my room for you ...

What matters is the results even if someone can consider them imperfect, they were stunning and would be stunning for everyone...

How do you think i learned how to create the listener envelopment and sound source auditory width ratio correctly for my ears/brain located at some specific spot in my AUDIO ROOM ? In acoustics research papers it is called LV/SRW, here the definition :

https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1027235/FULLTEXT01.pdf

It is not important that my room please you, it please my specific ears and the change is stunning for anyone as night in hell before and day in heaven after...😊

You can doubt it because you are ignorant in acoustics. Phone one and ask him ...Ask him if i am in delirium describing the potential effect of acoustic control of a room and ask him about this ratio : LV/SWR

Only narrow mind and ignorant of what acoustics means as concept in science can think that it means ONLY few panels on a wall because his wife own the living room ...Acoustics science exist with or without wife and in dedicated room ... 😁

Helmholtz resonators works as a deep central concept in acoustics...Try wikipedia...or a handbook of acoustics...I modified not only my room but by headphones and my speakers using these principles...

My room was my fun laboratory not a theater for ABX double blind test of cables for "deaf" consumers...

Read this above it describe what it is in great hall but the concept are the same but not applied in the same way for sure in a small room i can send you articles ... I used many articles for room acoustics because Hall acoustics is another applied realm but it is the same concepts..

 

You stop discussion because your ABX double blind test made no sense in architec tural acoustics construction process be it a Hall or a room ...Guess why ?😃

It is because the construction is based on physical acoustics measurements and each in wall resonators can be computed... But you can work in a very small room with various resonators and tune them by ears ...I did it for fun ...It takes 100 because of auto correction of the timbral and dynamics to my taste ... I learned acoustics in the process. I even created by the resonators grid positioning around each speakers and around my ears gaining some ambiophonic results using others mechanical means (fold screen ) with the resonators...

 

When someone here said "i am out" facing real argument revealing the preposterousness of this ABX circus with no answer, he say "i am out" because he act like a children going to pout in his corner ...

Simple blind test are useful as i said i used them many times.it is necessary all along the acoustic tuning process..

ABX double blind is used with good reason in the industry for sure...

For audiophiles it is a circus which is amusing to see and the results for a couple of cables not scientific at all because all others usual factors linked to a cable evaluation are eliminated ( our usual environment) Cables are secondary factors of S.Q. anyway not primary fundamental one ... Yes cables may sound different it does not means that it is rational to buy 10,000 bucks cables... It is ignorance of acoustics or deep pocket ...

 

do you think i tune my room by ears with 100 resonators with astonishing results but all is wrong because my eyes were open ?

Odd argument. No one but you thinks that you tune your room with 100 resonators with astonishing results. You make such a statement, deem it a fact because you say its & then challenge anyone to disagree with your opinions. I’ve tried to take this topic seriously but it’s comments like that that make me think that it’s too silly to continue. I’m out.

 

It is not possible to see it. That’s why it’s called blind.

 

This really explains it all.

Perception is reality.  I don‘t totally buy into that, especially with today‘s technology and its ability to affect our perception.  But then magicians have been amazing and delighting us with their sleight of hand since the beginning of time.  W. Shakespeare said, “My wife doth lie, but I believe her anyway.“  That‘s how I take technology.  If I hear a difference between components or cables and I judge it to be worthwhile then I will buy it.  Some people might need ABX testing to be sure they are spending their money wisely.  I do not.

I notice in this video that the speaker concluded what he already knew through ABX testing.  Interesting that he never mentioned which he like better- oversampling or no oversampling.

The days of high pressure salesmen in audio shops is over- or so I believe.  Those types certainly existed in past decades pushing people to spend beyond their means convincing them that their speakers, amps, turntables were the best for the money.  But nowadays it is possible in many cases to bring something home to try and return it if it doesn‘t meet expectations.  If under no pressure, why the uncertainty that something sounds better or not?  

If the shoe fits, wear it.

@tonywinga Then enjoy. The point being our brain is a bias machine. That is what it does as it is a survival mechanism. Realize the placebo affect can be so strong that people believing that a sugar pill is the strongest opioid in the world, will say their pain is gone. This has been demonstrated over and over. Everything is affected as well. I mean everything we do is affected by it.

If you don’t want to understand, enjoy.