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"The Mystery Of Sound Is Mysticism"

"The Mystery Of Sound Is Mysticism"

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The World’s First Concert Piano tuned to 432.081hz Precise Temperament Tuning!

 
The mystery of sound is geometry also....
 
 
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The most amazing musical instrument I have ever encountered was the voice of a girlfriend of mine in college 5 decades ago. This was just her everyday conversational voice. She was not a "singer" as such, but everyone thought she was singing all the time. "Music" doesn't have to be counted or prefigured. It can come spontaneously flowing out of anything at all which is its best surprise.

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Incredible masterclass in french (sorry) about the dead end of atonal music...
 
But for those who do not understand french i propose only 4 minutes of listenings near 11 minutes in the video...
 
 
Among others facts the musician composer and pianist play one of his works on piano with a voluntary input of 2 wrong notes and everybody, even average non musicians , can perceive them as wrong notes...Even without knowing and without ever having heard this music before.
 
Then he played the first atonal piano piece from 1923 of Schoenberg and put 79 voluntarily wrong notes into the piece and when playing it not one of these wrong notes had been perceived by the specialists of atonal music listening them ...
 
Wow...
 
Even if you dont know french listen to this musical test near 11 minutes in the video .... ( the exercise test is near 4 minutes)
 
This means that our brain is tuned by our history and perhaps tonal music express a meaning which escape us especially if we want to innovate without taking into account the way our body/brain interpret music .
 
Music is not sound without meaning...
 
Music is meaning in sound working on our body/soul which recognize the notes and rythm and duration and metabolize them into consciousness levels and emotions...
 
Music is the history of these successive rememberances but as recreated...
 
Music is not random sounds nor artificial sounds...It is a living organism...
 
History is not merely about our tastes .. As said Owen Barfiels poetry " express felt changes in consciousness" it is the same for music and these felt changes in consciousness are kept in our soul and mind and body and became recreated memories and future intuitions ...
 
This master musician prove the point saying this at 19 minute : "each time tonality is used the discriminatory faculties of the mind are there, if we use atonality these discriminatory faculties vanished"...
 
He say that after playing without saying which one is the right one and the false one two atonal works , one version well done the other version disfigured... No one can guess which one ... 😊
 
Then he played a tonal piece and gave one faithfull rendition and one disfigured version without saying which one is which... Everybody guess immediately which is the wrong and which is the false version...😊
 
Stunning simple demonstration of what is "meaning" in music and how it exist and can be destructed, if we quit the ears/brain/body sound history in some innovation that cannot be recognized nor used as emotionally meaningfull for our soul/brain/body...
 
Music is a spiritual phenomenon.... Meaning create the past as the future... If we annihilate meaning reducing it to bits , randomness, abstraction, atonality, we annihilate the past and the future... it is called a dead end...
 
Our civilization is in such dead end right now...
Musical nominalism is the same nominalism that create scientism and ideologies...
Peirce the greatest american thinker battled all his life against nominalism as many other geniuses...he was right ...
 
 

 

 
 
 
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I forgot to say in my post above that Indian music as Jazz is tonal music...

The composers in any genre and style of european music can create at this border between tonality and atonality... Scriabin did it in a masterful way...

Atonality is a resources , an affordance for tonal composers if it is not used for its own sake as systematized by Schoenberg and after him the Viennese school and others...

What about Indian music which is so strange at first listening ?

It is tonal also...

«Indian music is tonal and has many features in common with Western music. One of the most significant differences is that the primary means of expressing tonality in Indian music is through melody, whereas in Western music it is through harmony (the use of chords).»

 

Now for chinese and Persian music it is a bit more complex it is not atonal, but is based on a different modes  (a type of musical scale coupled with a set of characteristic melodic and harmonic behaviors.) :

«Western music is based on a system of tonality, which is built around the concept of major and minor keys. The tonal system is centered around the diatonic scale, which consists of seven notes and their corresponding chords. Western music also uses complex harmonies, counterpoint, and polyphony, which allow for the creation of intricate compositions with multiple layers of melody and harmony.

In contrast, Persian music is based on a modal system known as the dastgah system. The dastgah system consists of twelve different modes, each of which is associated with a particular emotional state. Persian music also uses quarter-tone intervals, which are not used in Western music. Persian music is generally monophonic, meaning that there is only one melody being played or sung at a time, although there are exceptions to this rule.»

 

https://medium.com/@tar.setar.market/comparing-western-music-and-persian-music-a-comprehensive-analysis-99ba059fb3fd

 

 

 

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