Sound Stage and Imaging


I love speakers who 'paint a big picture' (I am literally closing my eyes and trying to SEE a picture). Therefore I THINK I like to see IMAGING and BIG SOUND STAGE. And also like DYNAMICS.

Being frugal (just not willing to spent audiophile level money on it), I love to persuit 'bang for buck' solutions in general.

With above goals in mind for a speaker: what hits the marks in the low fi (audiphile scale) $2k (used or new) budget range. (I have 2 setups: one HUGE room, one 20x20).

kraftwerkturbo

@kraftwerkturbo 

I have no idea at that roomy size. I have experience with smaller rooms and a lot of speakers but that's a big space to fill. You are right, they would be too small. My guess is you need to move a lot of air, maybe used horns at that price range? 

@mijostyn I misunderstood then.

To be fair, you could tell me I should stick to baking. (I think I can bake)

I have an infinitely small knowledge of all things audio yet I am still here and comment on things, when I feel I have something to contribute. But I am probably a moron 9 out of 10 times. There were no exam to pass to enter this forum :)

Room size concern: I am currently running my Nautilus 804 as SMALL speaker with lowest sub crossover my receiver can offer (50 Hz). Her two 16.5 cm low woofers cut at 350 Hz, and the large mid range runs from 350 to 4k. 

Method 3-Way, 4-Speaker, Bass Reflex System, Tall Boy Type
Unit For low band : 16.5 cm cone x2
For Medium Range : 15 cm cone type
For high-pass : 2.5 cm dome type
Frequency characteristic 30 Hz to 30 kHz -6dB
38 Hz to 22 kHz -3dB
Frequency response 45 Hz to 20 kHz ± 2 dB
Output sound pressure level 89dB/2.83V/m
Nominal impedance 8 Ω
Crossover frequency 350 Hz, 4 kHz
Recommended power amplifier output 50W ~ 200W (at 8 Ω)

@grislybutter 

I can cook great, but baking requires too much accuracy for me.  @mahgister still took offence due to my previous comments about headphones. Anyway you can enjoy music is fine by me. Music lovers and audiophiles are two separate groups although you can be both. Believe it or not I know audiophiles who are not music lovers. They are sound lovers. Most music lovers are not audiophiles (Thank God).

If you are building your own loudspeakers you are most definitely a true audiophile in the best sense. 

Magister, you are over analyzing me. I am a simpleton, a rather rude one. Blame my parents. 

@kraftwerkturbo 

254 Hz is middle C! 350 Hz is well into the mid range. RAISE THE CROSSOVER POINT for the subwoofer.  Get it around 100 Hz and you will improve your speaker's headroom dramatically. If you are using one subwoofer 100 Hz might be a problem. If you can locate the sub by ear the best solution is a second subwoofer. If you can not do that drop the crossover point one step at a time until you can not locate it. This also assumes you are using a high pass filter on the main speakers. 

In spite of my criticism about some of your posts  where you discredited headphone owners , i appreciate that you are generally not only polite but patient...

By the way i like you as you are and you can be useful for information you deliver rightfully ...

this does not means that all you claims reflect absolute truth as you already know for sure ...😁

Dont change but try to open your eyes for other possibilities ...

Remember that i dont entertain grudges... But i like to be factual and sometimes more philosophical and i argue too much for some ... They even could be right ... 😊😉

my best to you as usual ...

Magister, you are over analyzing me. I am a simpleton, a rather rude one. Blame my parents.

I build my own room mechanical equalizer ...And i modified my speakers and all my headphones for the better i hope that this exclude me from the crowd of ignorant passive consumers audiophiles ?

 

If you are building your own loudspeakers you are most definitely a true audiophile in the best sense.