True high-end Speakers need a midrange


To be clear, I don’t mean expensive, I mean high performing.

I recently built a new center speaker for my home theater and as I was comparing/contrasting design alternatives between a variety of designs, everything from expensive DIY designs to Wilson, Legacy, ATC and Focal and others the thing that stood out the most was this:

  • You can’t get high output AND low distortion without a midrange driver.

I say this as a person who has had pretty good success with 2-way speakers and really admire 2-ways from Fritz and others, but when push came to shove, there was no way to make a 2-way with very high output AND low distortion AND excellent off-axis performance without a midrange driver.

You can push many tweeters down to 2kHz or even a tad below but it is very hard to find a tweeter that will do so with low distortion at high volume. On the other hand there are many 1" domes which will perform excellently when crossed over at 3 kHz or higher even when driven hard, things you don’t see from a frequency response plot, or really any measurements from Stereophile which never plots dynamic range charts. It’s not just about the frequency response and imaging, sometimes it is about doing all of that under pressure that matters.

Similar, complementary issues are true for the woofer in a 2-way design.  First, good mid-woofers with good frequency responses through 2-4kHz are expensive, but as you push the crossover up 7" drivers and larger have to beam, right in the middle of the midrange.  Instead of a wide open sound stage you can hear anywhere they restrict where you can sit.

In a large, full range speaker you can push your design for high output even further by going with a 5" midrange for instance.  Not quite as wide as the 4" counterparts but lots of power handling and plenty of overlap with the tweeter and woofers. 

erik_squires

@ditusa 

I agree with you. I have had a number of 3 ways and two ways, and both can be very good.

I was looking at your system and have a question. Is one of your speakers on blocks and therefore higher than the other? It looks that way in the picture. Very nice speakers! 

2 or 2.5 ways can be very satisfying and end game speakers. Maybe the audiophile wants to hear music from a certain amplifier that can’t be played effectively on a 3 way. 
In my experience I’ve never been completely satisfied when the designer pushes the limits on the highs coming from a woofer, or subwoofer in some cases. 
However, there’s an ass for every seat and if someone finds bliss in a design and power options that suit them, who am I to highbrow and shame them. 
I’ve heard a few two way systems that would be end game, perhaps,  but I can’t say I’ve lived with them, so who knows.

@roxy54,

Thank you for the compliment. Yep, up on blocks also, 15lb’s of lead in between each block, Wanted to see how sounds, before I did both. lol They are the best sounding two way speakers I ever heard, extremely coherent. better then some three and four ways.😎

Mike

Ohm Walsh 2-way very coherent endgamers for many with very high crossover point to what functions more like a supertweeter.

There have been a lot of 3-way designs over the years that I felt were not very coherent in many more modest size rooms but I do believe things have improved immensely in recent years with 3 ways. For example coaxial designs like KEF UniQ seem to solve the problem quite well. I’ve become a bigger KEF fan every time I hear the current line and especially when compared to others