Does a record player make that much of a difference??


Question for all you Audionerds - in your experience, how much of a difference does one record player make over the next compared with the differences that a cartridge, phone pre-amp, and separate head amp make in the signal chain?

Reason I ask: I just upgraded from a MM cart to a MC cart (Dynavector 20x2-low output). Huge difference - the Dynavector sounds much more alive and detailed compared with the MM. I find my current record player (a Marantz TT16) to be a real pain to work with - I have to manually move the belt on the motor hub to change speeds, and the arm is not very adjustable or easy to do so. But, aside from that, it's not terrible. How much of a difference can I really expect if I upgrade to a better record spinner vs the change I heard from upgrading to a better cart? 

My next acquisition is a separate head amp to feed the phono stage.

Thanks for all your insights!

Josh

joshindc

hi Josh,

there are levels of performance for turntable packages like you have, and also for the individual parts of the whole system; platter/plinths, arms, cartridges, phono cables, and even phono cables. there are not strict dollar values to these steps, as price and performance are not exactly linear, and also vintage choices blur the performance ranks further.

in a very general sense, if your package is around $2000, then the next general level might be a total of $4000-$5000. at that level you would find a more solid sound, lower noise, and more musical nuance.

but the biggest part of vinyl sound is the pressings. with turntables the media has a much larger part of what you hear than the hardware. you do need to get to a certain point where you get ’over the hump’ with hardware first, and maybe your current level is not quite there yet. but it’s better in the long run to focus on the best pressings, than on hardware. your collection should drive the hardware investment, not the other way around.

maybe look at the spinner + arm as the next big step for you. so not just the platter.

 

It really depends on the specific turntables in question, and how resolving the whole system is.  It shouldn't be as dramatic as a cartridge or speaker change, but TT differences can certainly be audible.  Whether those difference are better or not will be a matter of preference.  

I am a big fan of interchangeable headshells, to change my half dozen cartridges, to put a friend’s headshell/cartridge they may bring to hear their cartridge in my system, and in comparison to one of mine or another of theirs.

Spinner: I go for direct drive, heavy platter, to maintain speed and weight related to low frequencies.

Arm, I want very easy arm height adjustment, (various cartridges are different heights) like my Acos-Lustre GST801,

or my friends long and short Micro Seiki 505s.

Another friend has Technics wonderful epa-500 Base

 

here’s the full kit

Best bass I ever had was a Thorens TD124,

very heavy platter, very fine machining of bearing, combined with an SME tonearm; and Shure’s V15Vxmr Micro-Ridge with their no longer made beryllium cantilever. The stiffer the cantilever, the better the bass. The speed on the TD124 was a top controlled idler wheel, and a shield that moved, contrilling a magnetic force. Wait for it to warm up first, then, if a party, and more people changed the room temperature, re-adjust with built in strobe.

The bearing of the TD124 is very susceptible to vertical movement which is why I traded mine for ............

Next is the issue of a long arm, (check specs, some say 12" but may be 11-1/2" effective.

Next is two tonearms, say a MM on one, a MC on the other; or a Stereo on one, a Mono cartridge mounted/aligned ready to switch stereo to mono lp in a second.

I went nuts, too much time on my hands during covid, and ended uo with 3 arms

I can place all 3 arms while playing, no effective drag, and simply pick an arm/cartridge on my SUT with 3 inputs. You need to adjust volume when comparing.

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Solidity, heavy platter, features make a big difference, that long arm is 12-1/2" effective. I wish it had a removable headshell.