Matching the cartridge to the phono stage


Hey Everyone, I am new to this so please be gentle :) 

I am in the process of buying an amp that has the phono stage in it with the following specs with 3 options for the cartridge type MM/MC-Low/MC-High:

Moving Magnet: 2.5mV / 47kΩ

Moving Coil:

MC-High-Output: 0.3mV / 100Ω

MC-Low--Output: 0.1mV / 40Ω

LINE 180 mV / 47 kΩ

 

Now I am thinking of buying the Hana SL cartridge with the following specs:

Hana SL specifications:

  • Output Level @ 1kHz: 0.5mV

  • Output Balance @ 1kHz: Less Than 1.5dB

  • Impedance @ 1 kHz: 30 Ohms

  • Suggested Load: 400 Ohms

  • Cartridge Weight: 5 Grams

 

The preamp MC-Low says:  MC-Low--Output: 0.1mV / 40Ω

The Hana SL cartridge: Output Level @ 1kHz: 0.5mV, Impedance @ 1 kHz: 30 Ohms and Suggested Load: 400 Ohms. 

 

How do these values match ? As far as I can see I don't have the same voltage 0.5mv on the cartridge and 0.3mv on the phono preamp. I also see that 40ohm vs 30ohm. The 400ohms figure is only mentioned on the cartridge. 

Can this cartridge be used successfully with this phono stage ?

Do I need to match these numbers ? Can someone help explain this whole thing to me. 

Thanks!

ajones82

dhite71, Do you see that there is more to it than just whether the phono stage has adequate gain for the cartridge?  Cartridges and phono stages are often blamed for match up failures when really the blame ought to lie with the audiophile who tried to mate unmatchable or poorly matched components.

Most phono pre designers seem to build around 100 ohms, but the SL is an outlier at being both low-output MC and recommending >400 ohms. Interesting. 

@paulburnett There's actually a standard for phono inputs, which is 47K. A cartridge designer might recommend a 100 Ohm load or the like because he has no way of knowing what preamp its going to drive. So he recommends a 'worst case' scenario. 

Hi @lewm 

"That’s often tolerable but also there is a gradual high frequency roll off."

The statement quoted above will be true if the cartridge is an MM or MI with hundreds of mH inductance.

In contrast, MC cartridges generally have far less inductance (by a few decimal places), and therefore will not behave as claimed.

For example, if the frequency response of a Denon DL-103R (14Ω coils) is measured when the load is 47kΩ, then 47Ω (a thousand times less), the two curves will track each other to within a fraction of a decibel (at the most 0.5dB at 20kHz).

Keep in mind that a low-inductance MC cartridge is a terribly inefficient passive generator that is mechanically driven by the LP groove. As a result, its behavior changes hardly at all when the electrical load is altered.

As a handful of engineers (including Ralph and myself) have been saying for many years, the sonic differences perceived by many audiophiles is caused not by differences in the behavior of the MC cartridge as its electrical load is altered, but rather distortion in the phono stage that is triggered by the electrical reactance / ultrasonic resonance occurring between the inductance of the cartridge coils vs. the capacitance of the tonearm internal wiring, tonearm output cable, and input circuitry of the phono stage.

If a phono stage designed to be insensitive to ultrasonic or low radio-frequency energy, the tonal balance will change very little when the input load is altered, with the side benefit of reduced LP surface noise (much of which occurs within a frequency range that overlaps with the ultrasonic resonances occurring between the inductance of the cartridge and the various capacitances present between the cartridge and the amplification circuitry of the phono stage).

I was meaning to speak in general terms of matching impedances between any two components but thanks for correcting me as regards an LOMC cartridge. I am very aware of the vast differences in inductance among the 3 major types of cartridge but didn’t figure that in. However, many do report that the sound got dull or closed in when they reduced the load drastically below the 10X rule of thumb, say down to 2 or 3X, and I’ve always attributed that observation to an effect of the impedance match. Not meaning to argue the point as your expertise far exceeds mine.