Subwoofer


Looking to add a subwoofer to my 2 channel system. Problem arises in that there is only one location give or take 2 feet in all directions where the subwoofer can be. 

Very large untreated open concept room. 14 ft tray ceilings, about 30 ft by 20 ft. Hardwood floors. Serious WAF. Maybe one day will have dedicated room but for now should I wait, make it "work" with eq, accept the limitations of the location, hope it works?

Suggestions please. Maybe a particular brand addresses this.

Modwright integrated, vintage Thorens, Innuos streamer,  Kef R3. Kef LS50. Usher 530. Watkins.  Ryan R2. 

jpwarren58

Multiple distributed subs give even, not accurate, bass at the LP.

All-Pass phase controls operate at only a single frequency with varying degrees of shift across the passband.

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Hi jpwarren58...

After extensive search for a smaller dedicated studio deep bass solution under 80Hz, I discovered a larger, single, Direct Servo as my solution, replacing the two sealed subs I had been using.  My Rythmic L12 was $629 delivered and FULLY delivers at such a reasonable price.  Testing shows the Rythmic loading the room at 20Hz, which I never thought possible.  Don't be fooled by the price.  I was considering one of the higher end brands, but was well advised by experienced friends, near and far.  Tuneful, solid deep bass does not have to be costly and so contributes to all the frequencies in its execution.  

Best, jpwarren58.

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A well executed sub with adequate controls* properly integrated with the mains improves the listening experience out of all proportion to the frequency response.

I ran an Audio Concepts Force with Spica TC-50 XO @ ≈85Hz rolling the lows first order from the Spicas and third order inverted in the sub.

A composer [real music with real musicians in a studio] once remarked "Those little speakers aren't putting out all that gorgeous bass?!?!?!?!?"

* multi slope XO, phase, polarity, gain. LFE input is nice if it does double duty in HT.

AND drive it low level from the pre. You don't want all those connectors and extra wire in the power amp / mains circuit!

So many variables as with all audio questions. I have enjoyed many single subs, but I was not happy for 2 channel until I got a Rythmik sub. Best sub I have heard in all regards. Wish I had believed what I read about them years ago. I’d love to hear REL some day, but I also want below 20 Hz extension with the musicality at my pricepoint.

IF Rythmik is properly dialed in, no boom in the room. Even when not, it still sounds really good, but calls attention to itself because gain or crossover is too high. Saying 1 sub is always bad, I call BS. If you have a difficult room with a lot of nodes, don’t know how to set up a sub, or didn’t get one that will sound good to you, then maybe you can only figure it out with 2 subs.  Caveat though, the only sub I have bought 2 of is the one that sounds amazing as a single sub. 

I read somewhere to buy the best sub you can afford and as many as you can afford, and I may believe that. For 2-channel, maybe 2 is the ideal rule of thumb with reasonable budget constraints. I finally hooked up my second Rythmik, but I don’t really need it in my current room. For home theatre seems like 4 subs may not be overkill to even out response at all listening positions.

The Rythmiks give you some control with parametric EQ and other settings. I’m blown away by their depth, slam, speed, and musicality, but most of all, ability to blend in and disappear when adjusted properly. I intend to integrate miniDSP at some point, but I have been happy with results adjusting sub amp settings using test tones and SPL meter. I would lean towards the best sealed SVS sub(s) I could afford with phone app EQ, if that convenience was important to me.

@ieales Wrote:

Multiple distributed subs give even, not accurate, bass at the LP.

True!

Mike