user poll on seperates vs integrated


Hey guys, I wanted to try and crowd-source some (likely very opinionated, unscientific) knowledge.  I've read about the benefits of separates (have only ever used integrated myself), and I'm wondering how those benefits compare to the benefits of higher end parts/assembly, when controlled for cost.

 

To put it more plainly, would you likely get better overall results from a $5000 preamp and $5000 amp, or from a $10,000 integrated, given the likely quality/components used in equipment in those price ranges.

 

If you're experienced both separates, and integrated amps that cost the equivalent of those separate parts added together, can you speak to which you preferred?

 

Thanks for weighing in.

chrisryanhorner

In my view, an integrated amp need not be a compromise.  You can get very high performance if desired. T+A, CH Precision, Audionet, VAC, etc. all make exceptional integrated amps without significant compromise.  While it’s likely that their separates are even better, those will also likely be minor and the cost differential substantial.  Separates do offer some advantages - placement, inputs, variety, perhaps performance, they are not inherently superior. I’ve had both. To be fair, I wasn’t up in the stratosphere of separates, but my T+A integrated is worlds better than the Parasound separates I had. No comparison.  So, perspective is important here.

Some of us like gear. Some like changing out gear. Some seek the last iota of performance. Some need more flexibility of placement or want to blend typologies. All these users would likely favor separates. But, performance is there within the marketplace of integrated amps if you have the budget for it. And, for a budget of $10k, I would politely suggest that an integrated is likely to have better performance tthan comparably priced separates.

Lastly, I would note that i think it’s a good idea to keep digital circuits out of our preamp and/or amps. They’re noisy and my personal experience suggests that streaming clients and/or DACs built w/in most integrated amps are compromised relative to higher performing separates. So, I personally don’t think integrates that include the kitchen sink are necessarily ideal.  My experience only. YMMV.

Normally the DACS and phono preamps in an Integrated is inferior to a good quality separate piece...But there are integ. amps that defy that. see Steve Huffs review of the Aavik U-150.

I’m in favor of integrated, for simplicity, efficiency of space, and bang for $$ ... Technics su-r1000 for just one example, at about 10k

The answer is more simple than many are making it seem. Price is absolutely a great indicator of performance! Very few expensive products perform poorly, but that does not guarantee that a lower priced product won't perform equally as well. 

To directly answer the OP's question with an example:

  A $12K Gryphon Integrated will sound better and is better built than a $6K Parasound Amp and $6K Preamp!

I’m about to begin my speaker adventure and from reading comments and reviews, which is all I can do at this point, I’m leaning towards mono blocks. I came across the new Burson Audio Timekeeper 3XGT that seems to have great reviews. This might be an option to consider as well. The description on their website states no preamp needed for these mono blocks, though I already have a Felixs Audio Euphoria Evo that I plan to use with them.