How should I upgrade? A new preamp with a phono stage or just a phono preamp?


I have a Bottlehead Moreplay tube preamp running with a B&K Pro-10 MC preamp. I use the B&K because it has a phono stage and a tape loop for my thiel CS 3.5 bass eq. My amp is a Mccormack DNA Deluxe 0.5. I switch between Klipsch KG 4s and Thiel CS 3.5s for speakers. I was thinking about upgrading to a new tube preamp with a phono stage (Audible Illusions Modulus 3a) or just getting a phono preamp and keeping the Bottlehead Moreplay. Either way I want to get rid of the B&K preamp. Thank you for your time 

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The Audible Illusions M3A is a fantastic unit. I owned one some years ago with the MM Phono stage. The lack of a remote control was the deal breaker at the time. The AI L3A/B has a remote yet no phono stage.

Chances are, you will not be disappointed in the M3A or B. For the money the M3A’s are going for, it is a steal!

I have always been rewarded by incorporating the highest quality preamp and separate phonostage I could afford. Used Audio Research and Conrad Johnson tubed preamps and phonostage are among the best made. Going backwards in time and buying the best you can afford will award you with great, natural sound.

There are several ways of looking at this and it all depends on what you like and where you see yourself going with the hobby.  Any good stand alone phono stage from any good company is going to outperform the built in phono stage of any integrated/preamp or receiver.  So if you buy a good stand alone phono stage now it would serve you well going forward no matter what upgrades you might consider in the future.  On the other hand, if you simply don't want the clutter, like the simplicity and elegance of a single piece, and there is nothing wrong with that, then go that way.

I had a vintage nikko nr 719 receiver with a built-in phono stage and a technics turntable and it played marvelously. Used with epicure linear speakers. Probably sounded better than most of the stuff out there in the modern age. Components were really built well back then.

New, Phono anything, I recommend finding sources that allow returns.

Have/try MC, use alternate cartridges?

No matter external or internal, I chose to get a separate SUT with some variations of impedance and 3 selectable inputs, thus only 1 cable sut to phono

Entre 100

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I chose this Fidelity Research FRT-4

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There are ones with dip switches, internal resistors ,,, they are more expensive generally, I’ve never owned/messed with one of those. My friend’s Melos Preamp had adjustable internals, I changed them for him until we got a preferred sound.

I try to avoid 'better' going for 'preferred' instead.