Are audiophile products designed to initially impress then fatigue to make you upgrade?


If not why are many hardly using the systems they assembled, why are so many upgrading fairly new gear that’s fully working? Seems to me many are designed to impress reviewers, show-goers, short-term listeners, and on the sales floor but once in a home system, in the long run, they fatigue users fail to engage and make you feel something is missing so back you go with piles of cash.

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I don't know of any specific product or instance where something was specifically designed for early death.  Anyone postulating such should, at a minimum, suggests candidates and some explanation as to why and how it was designed to fail.

But, it might well be that gear is designed and built without sufficient consideration of longevity and the availability of replacement parts.  Planning for future unavailability of parts means stocking up on replacement parts, which is a considerable expense that must be be built into the price of the component.  Some manufacturers do stock replacement parts for a planned future of serviceability of a certain number of years (a practice of NAIM, and Linn, for example).  Certain types of components have inherent advantages in this area, such as tube gear with circuits that do not employ anything but basic parts that can always be found.

Most manufacturers do, for marketing reasons, tout new models and designs and claim superiority of new vs. old.  That is the nature of the market for almost any consumer products--even mechanical watches based on ancient (timeless?) technology, claim ever superior refinements of newer models.  But, with amps, linestages, speakers, and turntables, there are plenty examples of very old components that can compete with ANY modern examples when it comes to satisfying certain sonic preferences (e.g., large horn-based systems built around Western Electric compression and field coil drivers).   Even modern high end DACs may be built around some very old chipsets that deliver good sound.

I agree that there are some modern designs with sound that catches the ear because of the impression of detail, speed, and impact, that may become fatiguing to SOME listeners over a long period.  This is a matter of taste, but not some sort of conspiracy to make one go back to buy something else--how would the manufacturer of such a fatiguing product get that buyer's new purchase dollars?  I too don't like a lot of modern speakers and amps--too thin and lacking in body and weight--but this is a matter of personal taste; I don't see manufacturers as promoting the wrong kind of sound; they simply respond to the market demand.  If buyers are becoming less discriminating so that they more easily for superficial pizzazz of certain kind of gear, I don't think it is the fault of manufacturers offering that kind of sound to compete.  This is all part of a longstanding change in the market for audio gear--less people who care enough about sound quality to listen long enough and to hear enough products to become a more experienced listener not seduced by superficial appeal, and fewer old time dealers that can provide the opportunity for prospective customers to attain that education.

@mitch2 Oh I hear you. I have a '05 Torelli Express w/ Campy Chorus that I can still manage to find NOS replacement parts for but it's getting harder. For brake pads I end up buying 4 sets so I have back ups. My '21 Ritchey Outback has the Campy Ekar and 2 sets of wheels (700c and 650b) and I love riding that on just about everything. A very different feel than the road racing bike so I plan to keep that set up until 13spd and disc brakes are obsolete. I have to approach upgrades carefully with the wife so it doesn't seem like I'm frivolously spending. I just sneak them in and use the "I bought _____ a while back after a part broke" excuse. 

There are, I believe, several factors that lead to listener fatigue. In chasing the ‘absolute sound’ one must address different areas that could be getting in the way of ‘musicality’. One such factor is noise; persistent subliminal noise that could be the result of polluted power for example, or the result of grounding issues. Or you might consider that many of us do not have a properly treated room, which really can confuse what we hear, ultimately causing listener fatigue. While a specific component can be at fault, it may be that a specific component is not the true cause.

Interesting discussion.

I've been through many speakers, some of which I liked a lot but I developed 'fatigue' over time; as much from the tweeter (I think) as with port chuffing.  

Age hasn't helped I think.

I now own 2 pairs of speakers that I really enjoy listening to for long sessions: 1) Triangle Comète 40th anniversary with a 'Magnesium Rose Horn' tweeter: smooth as silk and a lively speaker that throws a wide soundstage.  The second pair are DIY SEAS A26 clones.  Not the last word in detail and extension, but they 'sound' just so right and I know what went into them: the cabs are made of Birch plywood and are nice and solid; the capacitor is a  metalized poly cap from Solen;  the SEAS A26RE4 woofer and the SEAS T35 tweeter that Troel loves.  If anything ever goes wrong with the latter, I'll know exactly how to repair it!  LoL.

Speaker in the past that had that same 'I can listen to it all day' type of sound: An old pair of Mission 710; a pair of smaller Mission Leading Edge speakers.  I'll throw in Harbeth P3ESR and NHT super-ones 2.1; Mirage OM-10. 

The big cause of listener’s fatigue is the un-natural sound. All audio systems in the world sound un-natural (except Wavetouch audio which is an only natural sounding audio system).

When we hear a natural sound, our ears and brain don’t need to work hard to understand. When we hear un-natural sounds, our ears and brain must adjust and work hard to comprehend the un-natural sound. While we hear un-natural sounds, we can’t understand natural sounds such as dog barking or noise from neighbor. So, our ears and brain must quickly change to a natural sound mode. It is hard to our brain and ears switching very fast between the natural and un-natural sound modes.

The un-natural sound makes a listener dizzy and fall asleep easily because the un-natural sound is very confused sounds. It is warning from our brain to our body to take a break. Once broken (distorted) audio signals can’t be restored and most signals are broken from the source (CD Player or DAC).

The characteristics of un-natural sound is confused, grain, harsh, bright, thin, vague, very forward glare, very far sound-stage (tunnel sound), etc. They hurt/irritate our ears always. And our brain and ears are too tired to make out from very confused and vague un-natural sounds. And it causes the listener’s fatigue. Alex/Wavetouch