Do I buy an upscale TT?


I recently heard a $50K TT at a friend’s and was floored by the performance.


It was a sound from a system I have never heard.

I have a very nice Woodsong Garrard 301, Tri-Planar arm and Grado Epoch 3 cartridge. Going into an Atma-Sphere MP-1 pre wt phono.

Discovered an affordable TT based on the Legendary Commonwealth idler drive TT (said to be among the best). One is $8500 and the other more elaborate one is $15K.

And there is another highly modified brass Garrard 401 for $10K. (said to be as good as the Commonwealth)

The big question is whether or not I am going to be pleased with the improvement in sound? There will certainly be a lot of hassle to change TTs!

mglik

@pindac 

You would of course be welcome to listen to Verismo here but (1) I live in UK so am probably a ways away from you and in my experience (2) there is limited benefit in auditioning cartridges for purchase in unknown systems and (3) yes it is impossible to get a loaner cartridge to put in one's own system.  One way forward might be to take one's present cart and install in the dealer's system to compare with the cart under review.

I have found the match between cartridge mass and arm mass to be at least as critical as resonance matching,  In particular, don't put a light cart in a heavy arm.  A90, A95 and Verismo are all very low mass (Verismo a tad heavier).  They suit my Simon Yorke Aeroarm (very short parallel tracker) extremely well.

I can give you a taste of Verismo vs. A95.  They both have the same Ortofon family sound characteristics.  Very accurate transducers, but perhaps a little light in the heavy patches.  Verismo does a bit better there whilst retaining all the truthfulness.  You say you haven't heard Anna.  This is far heavier both in mass and in its sound character, very very solid and authoritative.  My mistake, it didn't suit the Aeroarm at all, so I run it in my Zarathustra, an SY product from the 1980s, very heavy platter, sprung, with a Zeta arm, also high mass.  It goes very well.  So Verismo is only one 'cutting edge' at Ortofon.  Anna is cutting, but a rather different edge.  They rate it as possibly the best they have done and there is now an uprated version.  If you have a high mass arm you should definitely hear it.

I do also recommend you to try the AT ART1000.  It is a really good piece, state of their art, with more authority and weight than the A90-Verismo line but little if any loss of accuracy, very clean, and a very well-balanced sound stage.  Delicate to handle, it has a unique suspension system.

 

@clearthinker Thank You for the description.

It is the reduced rich tone that is the appeal to myself. I have become quite adept at adding rich tone when desirable by the use of additional ancillaries.

I will send a private mail.

The TT should not have a sound. The arm, cartridge and phono stage are what is important, assuming a distortion free TT, which it sounds like idler drives are not (never had one) since they seem to have a "sound".

They should be well matched in terms of cartridge weight and phono stage compatibility with the cartridge, and of course the arm fitting the turntable. 

Rega arms are the best bang for the buck, and for ease of implementation of course match perfectly to their tables. If you want to go above a $2200 arm (Rega's top of the line RB3000), have at it. Personally, I went with the RB880 arm for half the price of that, and ended up buying the TT it comes on (P8) after the fact. Kept the same cartridge. Arm made a much bigger difference than the table (had a Rega P5 before the P8).

 

I’m of the belief that my Marantz TT15S1, with ACE Benz MC cartridge would smoke your Garrard. And between the table $1400 as new, cartridge $650 new, and phono pre $450 used, I’ve less than $2300 invested. Well, it’s simply a thought. 

@sokogear The ideal, is for the TT to not have a sound, equally attractive is for the TT to have a non-eccentric rotation, with the non-eccentric rotation being available a extremely accurate speed control will be a much desired addition.

It is extremely difficult to have a TT that does not produce something as a result of the TT's function that is not a detriment, that does not impart mechanical noise, oscillation or Wow into a replay, either of which are measurable and in frequent cases audible to the end user.

There are ways to reduce these detrimental influences, but these cost money if being resolved from a commercial front and can be met with commissioning a skilled individual with a familiarity with a design, to take the work required on. The average individual can learn to service a mechanical part, but to get to a place of noticeable betterment machining of parts can be required.