Help. System sounds thin and bright or harsh


Hope this isn't redundant tried to post in Tech Talk

Just moved my system to a new home/sound room and it still sounds harsh and a bit thin despite supposedly "warm" sounding Harbeth 30.1 speakers. This issue is not new and I had put the blame on the old listening room.  Can't figure out what the problem is. I listen loud at 80dcbl or higher and sit nearfield about 8 feet from the speaker plane. (sound is thin and bright from afar as well) I have experimented in both homes with speaker placement, toe-in and the like. Speakers are placed a lil over 3 feet from the rear wall and about two and a half feet from side walls.  I feel something is off. Perhaps a component or two that is known to be tipped up in the highs and a lil bass shy?? Also, I leave all solid state components fully powered up 24/7. (not the tubes)

System:

Modwright/Oppo BDP 105 disc player  (all mods with tubed power supply and pricey NOS tube upgrades throughout)  Looking to replace once the harshness/bright issue is nailed down.

Parasound JC2 Preamp

Pass Labs X250.5 Amp

Harbeth 30.1 stand mount speakers

Puritan Labs PSM 156 power conditioner. (less "edgy" sound with it in system)

System is run all balanced with fairly costly Cardas interconnects.

All input is welcome. Thanks in advance.

Happy listening.

 

 

cymivka

I'm going to say the Harbeths are just not cutting it. Small two way speakers seldom do (unless you like a lean sound). You need a bigger 3 way to get the warm midrange you are looking for. 

Nonsense. I have the 30.2xd's and the warm midrange was the #1 reason why I got them. They are not lean. They fill the room which is wide open plan.

I'm driving mine with 35wpc Raven Audio Osprey.

I had a similar problem in my reference system.  I had a gain mismatch between my amp and preamp.  I had to turn the gain way down on my Supratek preamp feeding my Coda 16 amp.  Viola, problem solved.

Given the large volume of your overall room, I think subs could be helpful. But also, have you tested to make sure that the roofers were not wired out of phase on your speakers? Since the problem occurred in your old room, and this room, it was carried over with the system. there is a test you can do with a 9 V battery which you hook up to the speaker leads, and feel which way the woofer moves, inward or outward. It should be the same on both speakers if you wire at the same way. You might need to research this test. 

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@cymivka I have not reread everything, so I am going from memory if I write something already mentioned.  

First, try another pair of speakers before hauling your amp off for repairs.  From what I have read pass gear is fairly bulletproof.  We're not talking testing for sonic nuisances here, were testing if something is big time wrong and your Harbeths or amp are not functioning properly.

I would try changing the speaker connections on one of the speakers only, so the negative black speaker wire is attached to the red positive connector on the speaker.  This will tell you if a whole speaker was wired out of phase.

Last, I would try @peter_s post to verify that individual drivers within a speaker have not been hooked up out of phase.  As he mentions, definitely research the test first to make sure you don't accidentally mess anything up with the battery.  I have done it but only on lesser cost speakers.