NOS Tubes - Ecstasy or Agony


I have been running tube amps for many years and have built a number of SETs and other tube amps, kit's mostly.  My main power tubes have been 2A3's and 300bs and I have used mostly new manufacture tubes including JJ's and EML 300b's (great tube btw).  I did use NOS driver tubes and headphone amp tubes.  Never really had a problem.

I just transitioned to a Don Sach's 6sn7 based preamp and McCormack SS power amp.  The preamp is very nice and sounds great with Shugang tubes. Of course, I wanted to try some NOS tubes, went online and did my research.  Now the DS2 is a great preamp, the drawback is it uses 4 6sn7s and so I need to get pairs.  Would  have love to get my hands on the Dehavilland, uses one tube!

First Pair - I ordered some Sylvania's from TC Tubes. Advertised as 50's vintage, ,when I received  them they were marked 60's. Hmmm.  So I tried them and they sounded pretty darn good except after a couple hours one of them developed a high pitched hum, like a florescent bulb. So I sent them back.  

Second Pair - ordered from Brent Jesse - has a good rep online and a really informative website.  Received them and one was dead on arrival, they were also clearly of different construction. So they are going back.

Next will try Andy at Vintage Tubes Services, he also has a solid  reputation so hopefully I can get something that works.

I am curious what experiences others have had. Maybe its COVID, or are these dealers just unreliable, or is just 6sn7's?  Really thought I could just buy some NOS tubes and experiment, I can't even get two to work.

I don't really want to disparage these dealers but I do think all the claims of testing are maybe overblown.
drewh1

Both agony and ecstasy, as many of you are aware.

Vintage 6SN7 are quite often problematic in preamps (except as follower outputs), due to noise and microphony. 6SN7 are usually totally awesome in power amps (as phase splitter / V1 or driver tubes). The later GTA and GTB variants tend to be much quieter (OK for use in preamps), but have less sweetness to their sound - they do make great KT tube drivers in amps, though. 

I've bought lots of tubes from Brent Jesse and Upscale over the years, both great 99% of the time. They're human, so mistakes do get made (I've had a mistake from each) but these cases are the outliers; both sellers are honest so they'll work to rectify any issue. 

I've also got tubes from Andy / VTS, and they are as advertised; the problem is a lot of his stock is RCA and (in the end) those tubes have never worked out for me sonically. For the better part of a year I had some VTS low-noise selected RCA 12AX7 in my VAC Renaissance SE phono stage, never initially questioning them (dumb). They were indeed very low noise, matched and strong. But the sweetness and warmth of my VAC was all gone. I started to blame the VAC! When I finally got back to rolling in other 12AX7 makes, it was immediately apparent the RCAs were 100% at fault - bright and lean sound, ugh. Thinking back now, I just don't like RCA - sure there are exceptions, but even with those, there's always a different make I like better.

Ebay is a crap shoot, as expected. I've gotten good and bad tubes there, in equal measure. 

The modern Russian tubes are fantastic; the sub-brands each have their own sonic flavor, and they're easy to find in low noise matched pairs. BUT they still don't have the 3D holographic image or ultimate articulation and refinement of the very best vintage tubes. Their warmth seems a bit more 2D and less nuanced, somehow. 

RCA's can sound great. I rolled in a pair of Clear top 12AU7's into my amp and the soundstage increased considerably. One thing I have found is that IF one can source an organ re-brand, which these tubes are ( Hammond) then they are a little less noisy than the original labels. Not always, but mostly.

@daveyf Agreed on the organ pulled tubes. The RCAs black plates and other classic American 12AU7( AX7?) from organs I’ve used have been uber quiet and sounded excellent, but I no longer use them due to system changes (my RP9 preamp uses 6H30s). A plus is that the organ pulls are cheaper than "NOS" and they have been essentially pre screened for low noise and performance. The RCA black plate organ pulls I’ve used are superb as gain and driver tubes.  Also, I can't type "organ pulls" without giggling, sorry.

I just bought some tubes from Craig Ness,  he specializes in guitar tubes but has some very good NOS.   I bought a pair of 7788 Amperex and they were in crisp boxes, they were time capsules.   I put them in my Hickok 800 and they were super strong, testing better than new .    I bought a Raytheon 274b from him and it is a great tube also.   I'm going to order a few more from him also

Brent Jessee has supplied me with some holy grail stuff too.   

I bought a tube tester when I started playing with DHT and rectifier tubes .  Best purchase ever.   I saved my new amp from disaster by discovering a "NOS" rectifier that was shorted.  I believe it was new, but the group shipped from Serbia and I think it happened in shipping.   The other 4 were fine, all date coded 1956.   

Bottom line, it's risky buying tubes , NOS or new production.    I've had brand new tubes that were weak in one section or below "new" Gm values