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Perception and Watts: Doubling of power

There's a curious rule of thumb, which to my ears seems mostly true:

  • To double the perceived volume, you must output 10x more power.

10x power = 10 dB by the way.  We've read this as we were buying amps and trying to decide between 100w/channel and 150w/channel.  We are told, repeatedly that 50 W difference isn't really that much.

On more than one occasion I've tested this and found it's pretty much spot on.  Here's my question:

How can any of us really tell what half as loud, or twice as loud is?

I mean, think about this for a bit.  I cannot tell half as bright, or twice as bright, but it seems I actually CAN tell what half as loud is.  How does this even begin to work in the ear/brain mechanism?? 😁

erik_squires
winnardt
170 posts
 

Yeah, but this one goes to 11. Sorry, I don't get that many chances to use that one, even if it is worn out.

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dekay
5,366 posts
 

Erik:

Once I get past the first 2 "steps" on my dual mono volume pots each step offers an approx. 3 dB increase.

3 clicks is then approx. twice as loud.

When I hold Alexa in my hand, while she is screaming @ me, the SPL is approx. 80 dB.

When I then throw her across the room the SPL diminishes considerably.

 

DeKay

jdal
157 posts
 

I have a Rowland integrated that puts out 800 watts into 4 ohms. I also have tube mono blocks that put out 50 watts into 4 ohms. Greater than the difference in wattage is the difference in damping factor. 

invalid
1,085 posts
 

Damping factor doesn’t do much after a certain level, my friend has the adcom gfa 656 monoblocks that have a way higher damping factor then my krell ksa 300s, but the krell blows them away in dynamics and bass impact.I think power supply has more to do with it than damping factor.

petg60
1,486 posts
 

10db should be perceived as double loud by most people, so to understand double loud you would need a 500w amp instead of a 50w one on same speaker. On the other hand our ears are not measuring equipment, take some time to adjust and have self protection that would change how some things sound in loud volumes.

My preamp increases +3db on every 6 steps (0,5 a step), ha!

 

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