Perception and Watts: Doubling of power


There's a curious rule of thumb, which to my ears seems mostly true:

  • To double the perceived volume, you must output 10x more power.

10x power = 10 dB by the way.  We've read this as we were buying amps and trying to decide between 100w/channel and 150w/channel.  We are told, repeatedly that 50 W difference isn't really that much.

On more than one occasion I've tested this and found it's pretty much spot on.  Here's my question:

How can any of us really tell what half as loud, or twice as loud is?

I mean, think about this for a bit.  I cannot tell half as bright, or twice as bright, but it seems I actually CAN tell what half as loud is.  How does this even begin to work in the ear/brain mechanism?? 😁

erik_squires

Showing 4 responses by dekay

Erik:

Once I get past the first 2 "steps" on my dual mono volume pots each step offers an approx. 3 dB increase.

3 clicks is then approx. twice as loud.

When I hold Alexa in my hand, while she is screaming @ me, the SPL is approx. 80 dB.

When I then throw her across the room the SPL diminishes considerably.

 

DeKay

Here's a blurb on meters.

I recall a few vintage pieces with fast/slow meter settings, but the Carver switch is marked low/high.

The Carver has not been used for @ least 10 years (afraid to power it on).

http://www.cordellaudio.com/instrumentation/power_level_meter.shtml

DeKay

Forgot to mention why Alexa was screaming (we are getting one of these for Christmas).

 

DeKay

Erik:

The early NAD PE's used class G.

I demo'd a few of those integrated amps and SQ improved, IMO, when the Power Envelope circuitry was defeated.

Do the meters on your Luxman register "fast" peaks?

I had a Carver MXR-130 hooked up to single driver speakers (Stephens 80FR) and the meters showed them to be pulling quite a bit of power on musical peaks.

There are two meter settings (low/high) and it only showed up on one of the settings (forget which).

This said, I do not notice clipping/compression when running them with my 3 watt 2A3 amps, but I doubt that I ever listen louder than 80 dB (probably much lower, but with unknown peak levels).

 

DeKay