Roger Waters Live Last Night in Glendale,AZ


My first concert in a while. Last was Sia. 

Roger has a message for his audience

that comes with the music. Somewhat off-putting

I must say. I went for music not politics. Not saying

I totally disagree with his. F-bombs galore. All our presidents

past and current are mass murderers. Could be a bit strong.

He is 79 and British.  Has some fun stories. I can live without

the other messages though. Is this messaging common nowadays?

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Rodger Waters has definitely gone off the rails and seems to go out of his way to bite the hands the feed him. As he grows older, he goes on rants and makes statements that not only piss of fans, but he also starts to tarnish the name Pink Floyd in the process. His resent comments have even lead to the possible cancelation of a 500 million dollar sale of the rights to the Pink Floyd catalog. I was going to go to the show, but videos and resent interviews led to the decision not to. 

Pink Floyd was a group and together they made great albums. However, in his mind, he was the only one that mattered and the other members of the band where not really members but just hired hands he tolerated till he "kicked them to the curb". I would much rather to listen to David Gilmour's solo records or even PF sands Rodger as it is just a better musical experience without hearing how we all suck and are terrible people. 

All one has to do is look and listen to music from "The Division Bell" tour an Rodger's most current tour and one can easily see Division Bell is vastly superior in every measurable data point.

Also - a few commenters mentioned U2. While I agree that there was a period of political ramblings, it was Bono who lead the charge just like Rodger. The difference is Bono matured and his message improved. He also puts his money where his mouth is, donating vast amounts to charities and performing good deeds around the world. So, in Bono's case, I give him a tone of slack as I think he is a good cat but can not say the same for Rodger. 

I will still listen to Pink Floyd but feel Rodger is doing himself and the band a disservice. 

 

 

 

 

We’re past the argument stage now, methinks.

All hands on deck for the one purpose:

The prevention of all out global war.

We’ve truly -on the personal level of being humans- run out of sides to take, here.

FYI, if one watches, reads and searches solely via the most ’popular’ search engines (google, Microsoft, etc), or just watches the mainstream media...then you’re probably not (near 100% certainty) getting the real actual news on how dangerous and desperate this moment has become. Western media has been pretty silent on how this is all going, regarding the level of danger and how close things really are.

We’re starting to see that change, in the outbursts from some quarters that are beginning to break from the narrative and overall silence about the level of danger... but it’s no where near enough.

 

Eg, Mullen, the ex joint chief of staff for the military in the US, during bush II and Obama’s time, is telling Biden to quit the shameful game that is being played out and get to the negotiations table and put this Armageddon rhetoric and actions down. He’s about as worried as it is possible to get.

And that’s a man who would truly know.

 

*Sigh* Brushing aside the mainstream media is boring the hell out of me, it‘s such a lazy manoeuvre to give weight to arguments (which it just does not).

As an artist Waters can do what he wants, he can go on stage with a two hour pantomime show. I actually like to be challenged and surprised. Waters obviously doesn‘t want to be the guy that plays greatest hits with an orchestra and I applaud him for that. 
The fact that he is preaching is known and at least now we know as an audience if that‘s something we want to see and pay for.

I definitely do not. Waters - to me - not only draws wrong conclusions from what he reads and hears. His backing of BDS alone would bug me and asking Ukraine to give in to the oppressor is a daring thing to ask. Imagine the US being attacked and then asked to give in to stop the bloodshed. That suddenly would sound far fetched.
On top of that Waters seems massively ill-informed about what‘s going on. He full of conviction calls the massacres in russian occupied territories „lies“, for example. If things like that is what alternative media tell you, well, that says a lot about these media. And that‘s one big reason to not give a thing about what Waters has to say about current events. If you agree with him you can have a great night out. And I will defend you for having the right to, there‘s no censorship here.

He obviously has unpopular opinions which I disagree with, and it costs him big time. I sam him a couple months ago and was able to get excellent seats for a very reasonable price. I don't think it was close to a sell out. If he kept his mouth shut, he would have made way more money and sold more tix at higher prices and more  tshirts. He doesn't need the money and wants to perform and spew his crap. His banter with the audience was very cordial.

I have seen him a few times and the shows are among the best I've seen. I ignore the political BS. Like all else, some of it is true (a small part).

People who have reached the pinnacle of being wealthy and famous often have an expanded, and oftentimes overinflated, view of their impact on the world outside of their profession. They also have the choice of being "uniters" or "dividers". While they certainly have no professional or moral obligation to be "uniters", their actions are often disruptive, and (intentionally, or unintentionally) cause division.

There is a fine line between being a successful individual who energetically inserts their viewpoints into a venue of admirers, and textbook narcissism. I don’t believe in absolutes and understand the unavoidable consequences of gray areas. Particularly in human emotional and intellectual interactions. So, do we grant creative individuals who have had an enduring impact on our culture more freedom than the "average Joe on the street" to express themselves in the professional environment, and give them a pass even when they’re being cruel and insensitive to their "customers", or when those comments are incoherent, irrational, or untrue? Maybe so.

There are a lot of exceptionally brilliant, sane individuals who have a lot to say, can change the world for the better, and will never have the platform to say it. Or, if they do, they’ll be looking for a career change after they get cancelled, or fired. They’ve not quite reached celebrity status so their voices are muted.  Or worse.