Speaker positioning: why do audiophiles neglect this so much?


Went to a recent seminar featuring Jim Smith, well known author of the book  "Get Better Sound"  and hi fi set up guru.

The basic gist of the discussion was that the most important elements of a high end stereo installation are listening position and speaker positioning, in that order.  The actual hardware (speakers, amplifiers, source, cables etc) are of less importance relatively speaking.

Yet it is clear from this web site and it's contents, that set up is discussed much less than the actual hardware.

When I look at the Virtual Systems page on site, I'm estimating that, maybe, 10% of the systems posted are close to well set up.  Thus, hardly any of the featured hardware is performing close to it's maximum potential.

Shame, and why is it so?  Not sexy enough to talk about system set up in depth?  Lack of knowledge?  Or is it simply too hard to do and too complex a subject?

Just my 2 cents ...

bobbydd

I tried the ’nothing between the speakers trick’ and it works. I mean, it really does amazing things. I can’t do that in my current home. But I know what I’m missing out on.

But I try little things...every few weeks to get a little closer to what I had. I’ve managed to improve the sound quite a bit but not quite there yet. Next step is to actually try something novel. Which is what I did in my last home. I hit a wall (no pun intended) with speaker placement and room treatment and decided to take a big chance.

The difference then, was I was not married, lol. I could just do what I wanted. But I’m at the point where I know there is better sound in this room. I just need to find it.

In my case, I know what I’m missing. AND my current system cost is double what it was in my last home! That’s what’s so painful. Listening position, speaker position AND the room.

Same with acoustic treatment, probably only 10% of audiophiles pay it attention.  

I'm sure I've broken most of the "audiophile rules".  My room is too small, I've got a big Salamander triple rack between the speakers for my equipment, my dual subs are placed in the corners behind my mains, I've got a projector screen mounted up on the wall between the speakers.

But, I've chosen speakers that I know work well in my room, I've added room treatments, and I've carefully placed the speakers and listening position in the best places possible within my room's constraints, based on actual measurements.  It sounds amazing to me.  I'm happy.  I like the way it looks.  I like the way it sounds.  I've made the best use of the space that I have to work with.  Maybe I'm not taking full advantage of the equipment, but in the end, I believe getting 60% out of higher end equipment is still going to sound better than getting 60% out of your basic entry-level Best Buy offerings.  Equipment can and does make a difference, within reason.

The room and speaker positioning are the number 1 task to get right or nothing else will. I think what you see in peoples system is equipment in non-dedicated rooms so they are limited on how far out they can bring the speakers out from the back wall and/or the waf is implemented. I have seen rooms that have a couple hundred thousand $$$$ in equipment and they are in a living room with no treatments and up against the wall. 

@mahgister uhhhhh what???

So, how forums work. If I quote your response, like you did mine, then the person is addressing you. If you make a general comment about the OP’s topic then you are addressing what the OP said. 

I wasn’t talking to you, didn’t even read your comment, relax and take a breath and try to not be so defensive.