Help.... I'm scared to 'upgrade'!


Help…. I’m scared to ‘upgrade’!

I’m an unrepentant audiophile. I love equipment; buttons, knobs, dials, beautiful design, meters. Of course, I’m enthralled by music. It’s a deeply enriching and important part of my life. This makes me the perfect mark for spending way too much money on gear. I know that, oh well. So I want to upgrade from my cheap phono-stage but I’m full of doubt and hesitation. Let me explain….

I have what I consider a pretty great system, the heart of which is an Accuphase E-470. My speakers are a pair of ATC HTS-40’s (same drivers and specs as the SCM 40’s), and a pair of JL Audio D-110’s. Streaming is through a Bluesound NODE and an RME ADI DAC 2 fs. Mostly that great digital front end is used for TV and podcasts. When I settle down to really listen to music it’s through my analog front-end. That’s what this post is about.

I’ve had four or five phono-stages over the years and in fact I just sold a very nice all-tube one for $4,200. It simply wasn’t as quiet as the AD-50 input board installed in my E-470. I want all of those ‘audiophiley’ qualities like a holographic soundstage, magical midrange etc., but those have to emerge from an extremely quiet background and with extra high resolution. That’s why I sold a Parasound JC 3+ years ago because of too much hiss. And it was easy to sell a Rega Aria because that thing was great at generating it’s OWN noise. Yes, I’m picky. The AD-50 in my Accuphase is nice but the allure of ‘the next level’ is always tugging.

Then I accidentally bought an iFi Zen Phono! I was helping my son-in-law with his first TT and found a great used one here on Audiogon. He lives far away and I wanted to install a nice cart I had and dial it in pretty close before sending it on to him. I recommended one of those based on ‘buzz’ and he ordered one immediately. I did too, thinking I’d send it along with his TT. Anyway, for less than $200 I decided to keep it for a nice back-up. The thing is, it sounds absolutely phenomenal in my system. It’s paired with an extremely customized and modded Rega deck with an Hana Umami Red. I also have a Luxman PD-171A with an Ortofon Cadenza Black. That combo generates some great sound too.

So here it is…. The iFi Zen Phono is just crazy good. I think it’s better than the JC+, the Rega Aria that I had, and even the Luxman EQ-500 that I recently let go. Has anyone upgraded from the Zen Phono and to what? My short list includes the Whest Audio PS.40RDT, the new Accuphase C-47 (which would mean selling as much gear from my stash as possible), or an FM Acoustics FM 122-MKII. What else should I consider? I’m very intrigued by the Thoress Parametric Phono Equalizer too. What scares me is that might spend 6 to 12 grand on a unit that barely outperforms the ‘lowly’ Zen Phono.

Thanks for Reading!
Cheers,
~Oran

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 I have owned Bryston amps and pre-amps , there were SO quite they seemed dead.!

I got rid of them after a year and and I'm a fan of Canada.

A "-151dB dbv noise floor" spec seems highly misleading, if not an outright lie. What level is the reference "signal" at, by comparison? Signal-to-noise ratio is the number that matters for phono applications, since you have a downstream volume control (your line preamp) to re-level the signal as needed. Since their own page even lists the "MC v lo", "MC lo" and "MC hi" gains in clearly reversed order (error), I’m not confident on the veracity of that eye popping noise floor spec.

I guess the single balanced output could be a TRRS (tip ring ring sleeve) connector, which is popular with the portable head-fi crowd, but seems like a terrible misapplication for a PHONO STAGE.

EDIT: OK, they do list out the Signal-Noise ratio specs for the iFi Zen phono, which look reasonable. That -151dB number is for "Equivalent Input Noise", which I guess means the residual noise floor on output side matches what a *perfect* amplifier of the same gain would yield on its outputs when fed a noise signal of -151dBv at the inputs. That’s a dumb spec lol. Signal-To-Noise ratio is what you want to compare with.

@jim5559 The Bryston BIT 15 is the only Bryston component I have experience with; but I don't usually consider a "quiet" component "dead". I have heard that they can be analytic. 

@lewm The balanced output is through a 4.4 mm Pentaconn connector which indeed does have four contacts. I always assume that those connections to be somewhat fragile so I definitely will NOT be unplugging and plugging it back in often. Yes, It would be difficult to know how much less distortion or noise there is but theoretically there is less and for the modest price of the cable (and the fact that my Accuphase E-470 has true balanced inputs) it was a no brainer.

@mulveling With such a small amount of real-estate on the back of this diminutive unit, traditional XLR connectors would be a bit large. Why is the 4.4 mm Pentaconn connector a misapplication? 

 

I'd never heard of that 2 in 1 type of connector for balanced output.  But then again, I have never owned headphones or any miniaturized audio components. So thanks for that.