The Best Preamp is no Preamp?


So recently I've discovered the possibility of completely removing my preamp from my rig. I've never heard or considered this before, so much audio tradition... But in going directly from DAC to amplifier the sound quality is absolutely incredible, instantly had me grinning. Using music server to Chord M Scaler to Chord Qutest (cut out Marantz SR5015) to go directly to dual Emotiva XPA-DR1 monoblocks, to GR Research's 24 strand speaker wire to Magnepan 1.7i's.  Only difference is running volume on server vs Marantz remote, sound quality is the biggest jump I've ever heard with any gear.

Have you guys had experience cutting out the preamp from your rig? What's your thoughts?

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but is there any explanation for how putting a preamp in the signal path when you have a fairly higher-end DAC can make an improvement?

Yes. The explanation is offered earlier on this thread.

That’s the only real fun to be had in audio.  Trying something new is a very good thing as long as you don’t blow up your gear. Keeps things interesting anyway. I’ll try it sometime with my Node2i. 

Everybody talks about high quality preamps, which makes over-all sound good. Yes, the pre MAKES (modify) poor sound from poor sources to be good. That means the pre does change the original music signal into slightly different signal. The modified signal would be good to our ears. Do not praise the preamp that makes poor source better. Just blame the poor source. If you have good source (well-recorded CD for example), you can enjoy the music much better with no preamp. Why does tube-based gears make good sound? Just because the tubes tend to add some distortion to the original signal, and the added signal makes our ears pleasing. The added signal is usually even-order frequencies.

Shorter speaker cables make the over-all sound better? I have to laugh at the guy who says that. Inside the speakers, there are very long coils. Due to limited space condition, the coil's physical shape can not be better than that of speaker cables. Compromised long speaker voice coil and very short speaker cable? Usually, the speaker cable length does not matter very much unless the cables run longer than 50 feet.

Agreed!  Even gooder is eliminating power amps (technically).  Music server feeding Weiss 501 DAC/volume control directly to ATC active speakers.  Faster, more dynamic, more detail and only four pieces to reproduce music.

 

Since Enlighten Audio Design (EAD), Theta days in ‘90s.. fast forward to dCS Verdi/Elgar/Purcell/clock to more recent days’ Accuphase 2 boxes, and friend’s Vivaldi stack, MSB Select (complete) double power bases, pre module etc, Esoteric Grandioso stack—still I/we found running through preamps the sound were just more realistically ‘live’ and musical (bluntly~akin to 2D vs 3D rendition of the music). Unless one wants to simplify, or $ave on peripherals (cabling etc.), a great preamp in a top flight system is the way to go.

Maybe someday in the future when pre module in dac or passive improved further can hopefully forgo the pre, but not yet.. imho, ymmv.

I’m digital only and currently using only one input on my preamp, yet it costed more than my speakers—yes call me crazy, but the difference (to me) is rather dramatic and worth its cost.