Is the Audio Ref-6SE worth 7K more than the BAT VK-80?


Greeting all,

I looking to replace an venerable Sonic Frontiers Line Stage Once Pre-Amp. I been looking hard at two products. The Audio Research Ref-6SE $17K and the newly released BAT VK-80 $10K. 

These will be mated with a Pair of EVO-400's set up as Mono-Blocks and re-tubed KT-150's I like their snap over the stock EL-34's. My tastes in Pre-Amps is it has to be good with vocals but so overly warm and syrupy. That it cannot flesh out the detail within and recording, or sacrifice tightness and punch in the bass. In short it needs to provide resolution over sweetness. The Amps drive a pair of Legacy Focus SE speakers. These things do not like anything in the signal chain that fattens the low end.

Music preference are Rock, Metal and Classical. Think: Pat Benatar, Heart, Def Leopard, Evanescence, Lacuna Coil, Metallica, Bach Organ Works, and Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture and you get the picture the bombastic material I like.

I enjoy how both Pre-Amps mate with my system. However, it seems that Ref-6SE dances with my setup a little better that the BAT. My crackpot theory, is its more at home with sonic character of  the KT=150's which is what their Reference 160-M/S amps use.

Nonetheless, The BAT's build quality is more impressive, and I feel I really get something for my $10K. So it seems to me that I am paying a lot for that Audio Research prestige, than quality. Not a fan of a $17k Pre-Amp that comes with a plastic remote. That to me is a major turn off. So what other chintzy things are they doing with this component, in order to increase their profit margin?

Any additional thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

 

walkertm

Different brand has different house sound,it's different style,and usually it is talking about whether it is your tea of not.  If it is not your tea,you won't pay even it is very cheap,right?

You can ask,does VK-90 worth $5000 more of VK-80 ? as they are the same house sound. The one who buy VK-90,will also accept VK-80 if the price is so different.

That is more meaningful,right?

so there is pass labs fans,Audio research fans ( just like me),they will stick to that house sound and will compare only within that house sound.

Have I replied your question?

 

Sorry but not really. In my system they do sound different but are equally enjoyable. Overall, I think the AR pre sounds better. However, great sound alone is not my sole deciding factor. The concern here is not just how good the sound is. Albeit, I have to like how it sound in my system.

The answers I am looking for pertain to build quality and worthiness of the additional expense. To put it bluntly the Ref-6se appears to be a bit of a rip off. What I see inside of it does not seem on par with what the BAT is built with.

If you're looking at both purely from parts quality and quantity perspectives, then the BAT wins, hands down. As for sound, I find ARC to sound thin and sterile. I have a BAT VK-33 preamp mated to a BAT VK-225se power amp, and the combo sounds great.

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It is not chump change to me. If it did not represent a substantial effort to obtain. I would not have bothered with this post.