Is advice from a constant upgrader to be avoided


For a while now I've been reading these forums and to be honest i was thinking of leaving. I felt a bit out of depth given that it seems so many others have had so much experience through owning what seems to be tens of speakers, amplifiers, DACs etc etc and reading people buying and selling piece after piece after piece on the search for some sound.... 

When someone asks advice about a certain item it seems like half the audience have owned it and moved on and have a comment to make. I then read about someone buying an extremely expensive amp and deciding quickly to sell it because it doesn't sound right. Then someone else is on their fourth DAC in a year. 

So all these people have advice to give. What I'm wondering now is, is advice from a person who's never content, constantly changing their system, never living with a system for long enough, and have more money than patience, really the right person to take advice from? .

There seems fewer (maybe they're less vocal) people who buy gear and spend the time to appreciate it, and have maybe only had a very few systems in their lifetime. I think I'd rate their advice higher on the gear they know than the constant flipper/upgrader.

Is the constant flipper/upgrader always going to say that the gear they used to own was no good and they've now got better? Maybe their constant searching is because their ear is no good or they're addicted to the rush of opening a new box. 

Just because person X has owned a lot of equipment doesn't mean their advice is to be sought after, it could mean the exact opposite.

mid-fi-crisis

@ebm why on earth is that your go to response? An urgent need to exercise your fingers?

@mid-fi-crisis I seek opinions from all kinds. I especially want to hear from someone who has owned or owns a product I'm interested in. If they love it I want to know why. If they didn't care for it I try to find out why, with what equipment, in what size room, and with what music. Their dislike may be closer to my preference. I would avoid the folks who have plenty to say about items they have never heard. BTW love the screen name.

OP

 

Good observation. I have known guys that were addicted to equipment swapping. You are correct, not the people to listen to. I, like quite a few others here have been at this for fifty years or so, slowly acquiring and evaluating one piece of equipment at a time. For the last thirty years or so I have been careful to raise my system up a level and then spend around seven years there just enjoying the music. I think a number of folks here are like that. That is why some of uds try to say enough to quantify our qualifications enough in a post, and show our system to establish some credibility and to show our point of view.

 

 

Looking at it from a different side. Without the people that swap gear frequently you would never be able to get the common questions "how does this vs this sound" answered. Also this hobby has many facets. Some people just enjoy listening to music, others enjoy the nuances of sound reproduction through different gear. 

What a fascinating topic.

Perhaps I am in an ideal position, having a good understanding both electronics and physics.

Before making a purchase, I thoroughly investigate it and then sit on it, so I don't make any impulsive decisions.

As has been suggested, the next step is getting the best from what you have before even considering an upgrade. This step is the most difficult, and I acknowledge there are many who are going to struggle. Relatively simple with stereo but hellishly difficult with multi channelled home theatre systems.

 

Without the people that swap gear frequently you would never be able to get the common questions "how does this vs this sound" answered.

A common misunderstanding. In fact we are totally able to answer these questions without ever so much as a peep from the flippers. There’s actually good reasons to avoid them. We have a thread here been going for something like a decade, forget dozens got to be hundreds of amps compared. I could not possibly care less what this guy has to say about anything. When you have listened to a hundred different amps and still haven’t found one worth keeping more than a few days, at what point do you finally give up and admit, waste of time? Or at least maybe time for a different approach? (This seems to be dawning on him. Fingers crossed. No, seriously, he has put tremendous time and energy into this. I really do wish him well.)

 

I would much rather hear from someone who never heard any of them but has studied everyone else’s impressions so thoroughly as to understand what the flipper never will. I say that knowing full well this really gets some people going. People who follow the herd, unable to think for themselves mostly. Everyone keeps repeating the "home audition" mantra so it must be true. Right? Not even.

 

Someone already said, when you see enough people saying the same thing just maybe they are right.

 

Honest truth is, the more closely you examine a lot of common assumptions the more they fall apart. We are supposed to read reviews, yes, but also home audition. Why? If the reviews are good, why home audition? If they aren’t then why read them?

How about this: learn how to read them! Michael Fremer, for example. Great reviewer. But why? Because he tells us what he hears. What he prefers. Anyone following MF knows he likes a fast neutral analytical hi-fi sound. There even was a time he made no bones about it. I don’t know if he is so full-disclosure these days, but it hardly matters now, does it? Anyone can simply look at his system, his component choices, read a bunch of reviews, and figure it out for themselves.

 

Therefore, when I read MF say something is snappy or a little dry or whatever, I know it is REALLY snappy and dry. If on the other hand MF says it leans a bit lush I figure this probably means just about right. Because I have learned how to read him.

 

You do absolutely have to be able to figure this out for yourself. If you can then you will totally be able to use the information provided by the guy who never even heard what he’s talking about. Get a lot more useful information from that than from the guy who has spent all his time listening to 500 amps and so has no clue what sounded like what. How could he? Could YOU keep track of 500 amps?!

 

Say yes if it makes you feel good. We all know the truth. Just not with the cajones to say so.