Kinki studio EX-M1, EX-M1+ differences... vs Denafrips Hestia/ Hyperion combo?


I've been reading up on some Integrated Amps and Pre-Amp/Amp combos lately but have some questions.

The following is an excerpt from SoundStageHifi:
The original EX-M1 was introduced in 2017. The newly updated EX-M1 — without the “+” — costs $2398 and includes, among other things, changes in the power supply, capacitance, and the volume control, the latter now using a MUSES72320 controller instead of the previous relay-based control. The EX-M1+ is essentially identical to the upgraded EX-M1, but adds a preamp-stage output and a home-theater bypass to entirely bypass the preamp stage.

That last sentence has me a little confused. 
"The EX-M1+ is essentially identical to the upgraded EX-M1" - What is the "upgraded" EX-M1?  Does this mean that the latest version of the EX-M1 has all the updates that they just covered preceding this statement?

The 2nd half of the statement says " but adds a preamp-stage output and a home-theater bypass to entirely bypass the preamp stage." - You'll have to excuse my ignorance.  Does this mean that I can add a pre-amp in the future and use the EX-M1+ as a Power Amp?  Also, does this mean that I cannot add a pre-amp to the EX-M1 (non-plus)?

At this time, I don't have hard to drive speakers, and I don't foresee having something like that anytime soon, so I was also considering the Denafrips Hestia/Hyperion combo.  I haven't seen any reviews comparing these 2 company's offerings... any feedback is appreciated.

jwlaudio
Just another note as this thread and much of audiophile searching in the wilderness is about achieving the elusive ‘perfect voicing’ of ones system.

The critical focus put upon a preamp to mediate source to power.  
sns seems to have a Coincident 101D preamp.

Here r the mfg specs…

Specifications
Type: Vacuum tube stereo linestage
Frequency Response: 10 Hz to 30 kHz (+/- 0.2dB)
Gain: 20dB
Output Impedance: 500 Ohms
Output Voltage: Greater than 30V
Features: Dual Mono Transformer Coupled Volume Pots
Inputs: Balanced inputs via XLR and unbalanced via RCA
Outputs: Two pairs of RCA outputs for bi-amp'ing;
            One pair of balanced outputs on XLR
AC ground lift permits AC ground lift to eliminate hum caused by ground loops.
Dimensions: 203 x 260 x 390 (HxWxD in mm)
Weight: Power supply is 40.7 lbs. and linestage is 30.8 lbs.
AC Voltage: User selectable- 115v, 230V
Price: $4999

So a question.  What do you think, >than 30V sounds like, on an amp looking for 4V input?  Based on my limited messing around with voltage variance into the Hyperion, I would suggest you hear more of the flavor of what is input.  GIGO.  
Though voiced slightly to the organic side of neutral, there is no way Hyperion performs as described above.  The thing has balls and a ‘bit’ of colour.  My experience is that music has soul in a Denafrips system, one feels the heartbeat of the music, not as an intellectual exercise.  It’s liquid not clinical.  The voltage regulated preamps preamps pass what they r fed and even the BHK appears to output 4V through its balanced outs, which is perfect for the Hyperion.  
Audiophiles seems to attempt a lot of crappy system matching and then blame it on components.  The Denafrips are much more mainstream components with the advantages of ss and a beautiful midrange.  They are not veiled, overly dark, or slow.  They have authority and time like a 50k stack of Naim gear…
@regismc , based on specs Statement linestage should be fine match to Hyperion. Statement output impedance 500 ohms, Hestia 400 ohms, Hyperion input impedance 22k, both well matched based on amp input at least 10x higher than pre out. This is by far the most important spec for pre to amp matching.
Output to input sensitivity of Statement to Hyperion is also close to other amps I use with Statement, Coincident Turbo 1v, PL Dialogue Four 880mv, Hyperion 1.8v, Hestia does have much lower output voltage than Statement. Still, I didn't have to run Statement at extremely low range of volume selectors, yes, a bit lower than other amps, Also, the Statement doesn't use volume potentiometers, transformer based volume control doesn't have favored portion of range. Therefore, Hyperion was used within parameters that would allow it to perform at it's highest potential. I stated how I used Hyperion and how it performed in my system, I stand by my comments. As to how it will perform in other systems, I can't say.
sns, it’s all good.  That’s a nice, unique pre, you have there.  Nice selection of amps also.  I’ve a friend with Khorns but he runs a 6wpc Set.  Hyperion sounds voiced more like an ADS speaker than a Klipsch. Late 80’s sealed box vs horns.  More Harbeth than ProAc.  Thinking thru the Denafrips/Kinki voicing differences compare Teflon base 6sn7 Black Treasures vs the gold metal based Psvane CV181-T.  Traditional vs modern tube sound.  The Teflon’s all about the mids and tonal richness, the metals emphasize airy, incisive treble energy.  I wouldn’t be surprised to find that mixing tubes into the mix of either brand is not optimal.  
Here’s an interesting take on the Denafrips ‘sister’ brand Musician preamp…

https://soundnews.net/accessories/musician-monoceros-preamplifier-review-the-final-frontier-for-your...




sns, perhaps the 500k output impedance figure is NOT throughout the entire frequency band, but a single measurement.  Pretty common with tube preamps and yours is definitely unique.  I have no idea however as to why such would only present itself with the Hyperion amp and not other ss amps.  Regardless, your attempts show it was not a reasonable match.  
Ie… “When matching preamps to power amps, a general rule of thumb is for the load (amp) input impedance to be at least 10 times higher than the source (preamp) output impedance to provide a suitably flat frequency response. Many prefer using a minimum ratio closer to 20 to 1, or having an amp with input impedance 20 times or more greater than the preamp output impedance. 

With solid state preamps, this is generally not a problem since most have output impedance of only a few hundred ohms or less, while most SS amps have input impedance of at least 10K ohms. However, you must pay much closer attention when trying to match tubed preamps to SS amps, since many tubed preamps have an output impedance of several thousand ohms or greater. Another thing to watch is how the output impedance spec is reported, since it is sometimes limited to a measurement at a given frequency such as 1K Hz, while the actual output impedance may vary with frequency. It is not unusual for the output impedance of tubed preamps to rise significantly as the signal approaches a lower frequency of 20 Hz, because of the size of coupling capacitors used in the preamp. In these cases, a low frequency roll off can occur whereby, for the same power output, the lower frequencies drop in output compared to the rest of the frequency range, resulting in a loss of deep bass. 

The good news is that most tubed amps have sufficiently high input impedance to allow the use of most preamps, tubed or SS. Also, for SS power amps, input impedances of around 50K ohms and above are common and these amps should work well with the vast majority of tubed and SS preamps.

Only a couple of manufacturers make SS amps with input impedances of 10K ohms (e.g., McCormack DNA500), and a couple (such as Pass) make SS amps with input impedance of 20K ohms. These lower impedance amps would require careful matching with tubed preamps. If you are trying to match a preamp with one of these lower input impedance amps, you should try to find information on your preamp's output impedance throughout the entire frequency range. Some manufacturer's report this information and some do not.”