CD Quality Versus Streaming Quality


I realize this will be a contentious subject, and far be it from me to challenge any of the many expert opinions on this forum, but if I may offer my feedback vis-a-vis what I am hearing, and gain some knowledge in the process.

i will begin saying that my digital front end setup is not state of the art, but i have had the good fortune to listen to a number of really high-end systems. I guess the number one deficit in my digital front end is a streamer server, and no question about it that will improve the sound.

My CD player is a universal player; Pioneer BDP-09fd. It uses Wolfson DACs. It has been modified to a degree. I have bought and sold other players, but kept this one, because it has a beautiful sound that serves the music well.

Recently, i ventured over to my son’s place and we hooked up my player (he doesn’t have one and rely’s on streaming only) We compared tracks / albums of CD quality and master quality streamed on Tidal with ‘redbook’ CDs I have. For example, some Lee Ritenaur CDs and some Indian classical and the wonderful Mozart and Chopin.
His system is highly resolving.

we were both very surprised to find the CDs played on the player to be the better sound. And not just by a little. The sound was clearly superior, with higher resolution and definition, spatial ques, much better and clearer imaging. Very surprising indeed. Shouldn’t there be no difference? This would suggest the streaming service is throttling the bandwidth or compressing the signal?

i am most interested to hear others’ observations, and suggestions as to why this might be? I do love the convenience aspect of streaming, but it IS expensive for a chap like me of fairly modest means. The Tidal HiFi topline service is $30 per month I believe, something the good lady is not too thrilled about. God forbid I should suggest Roon on top of that I may likely get my walking papers. I jest, but only partially LoL. My point is, if I pay this sort of money, isn’t it fair to expect sound to equal the digital stream from the CD player and silver disc?
Thoughts?

AK





4afsanakhan
Anzaanimalclinic,

Thanks for the sage advice. And we are getting to the root of the matter here with what I suspect is in large part responsible for underperformance. The fact that sometimes the performance is better than others may be down to noise in my local network.

the Ether Regen is top of mind, but You have peaked my interest with other options that may be more cost effective for me. I checked out the ENO filter but it is an English company? I will search for a distributor in the US. 
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It starts and finished by the studio technisions and in the most cases 90% it suchs. Check your cd's how much sounds really good? They mixed evrything in the high and midrange mostly in the highrange. When i am a mucisian i never drop mine cd at the market.
I'm with George. It's not CD vs Streaming. It is all about the mix and remix. Even many original mixes back from the day, analog, are compromised. Jazz records mixed poorly with the incredible frontline horn performances one way and the rhythm lumped in the mix (Hubbard Hub Tones) or mismatched levels between horns (Miles' Cookin') or gorgeous mic'ing and DR on a horn and rhythm combo but the combo mixed off and away (Shepp Ballades). I have a midfi system, and yesterday was streaming John Hartford's Gentle on My Mind album (Qobuz HR),sounded good, followed by Steely Dan Pretzel Logic, and had to turn The Dan off after a few songs. I don't have the CD or LP, so no idea what version this was....but had heard it recently streamed at a neighbors....his was from a certain remaster I thought sounded great. Yes, not apples to apples. Now there is Tull's This Was album. Streamed Qobuz a/b through two sets of speakers I have hooked to same system (bluesound node 2) same amp same room. The very high end speakers can't handle it...or should I say handle it all too well and I find the DR compression annoying at the high end. The lesser speakers sound really good, most likely missing the detailing. Put on the Shepp Ballads same comparison, high end speakers are fantastic, every single reed articulation and breath. I have not looked up any of these. I don't know the provenance of any of it. But all of us have been coping with the DR compression or mixing tricks back in the day for years. You could hear it way back in Dinah Washington compilation LPs or whatever. Our choice was the same then as now. I want the convenience of all those Dinah numbers on a double LP set, or I want to find the 45 or original 33.3 and listen to that. Same with streaming now. I want the convenience of hearing Pretzel Logic and I either let the tunes play on or close it down because the SQ is not as clean or vibrant as some other mix/manufacture of the same. It is not about the gear. It is about the manufacturing/mixing at all these turns. LP CD 8-track, cassette, stream etc. Yes, we might be able to have our cake and eat it too if we could easily choose versions from Streamers. Then you can pick a Charlie Parker digital remaster. Or a good A-D capture from a 78. Or one of a dozen various mixes. What suits your ears. The info would make it easy. As it is now, all you have is your ears to discern it. Which maybe is how it should be. I can barely listen to All Things Must Pass because I have some lousy CD issue, one of many failed remixes. But I do sometimes, because it is not always about the Sonics. If only I had the time to and energy to seek out the better version. I would pay for a streamer who does that for me.
jpeters568
Cleeds
Did you lie about your network having issues, or do you lie now saying that your network is fine? It is one or the other, but it cannot be both.
Stop it now. I never, ever claimed my network was having issues. Get your facts straight.
... Networks do have unrecoverable errors ...
You’re beginning to learn. Keep at it.