Why Do So Many Audiophiles Reject Blind Testing Of Audio Components?


Because it was scientifically proven to be useless more than 60 years ago.

A speech scientist by the name of Irwin Pollack have conducted an experiment in the early 1950s. In a blind ABX listening test, he asked people to distinguish minimal pairs of consonants (like “r” and “l”, or “t” and “p”).

He found out that listeners had no problem telling these consonants apart when they were played back immediately one after the other. But as he increased the pause between the playbacks, the listener’s ability to distinguish between them diminished. Once the time separating the sounds exceeded 10-15 milliseconds (approximately 1/100th of a second), people had a really hard time telling obviously different sounds apart. Their answers became statistically no better than a random guess.

If you are interested in the science of these things, here’s a nice summary:

Categorical and noncategorical modes of speech perception along the voicing continuum

Since then, the experiment was repeated many times (last major update in 2000, Reliability of a dichotic consonant-vowel pairs task using an ABX procedure.)

So reliably recognizing the difference between similar sounds in an ABX environment is impossible. 15ms playback gap, and the listener’s guess becomes no better than random. This happens because humans don't have any meaningful waveform memory. We cannot exactly recall the sound itself, and rely on various mental models for comparison. It takes time and effort to develop these models, thus making us really bad at playing "spot the sonic difference right now and here" game.

Also, please note that the experimenters were using the sounds of speech. Human ears have significantly better resolution and discrimination in the speech spectrum. If a comparison method is not working well with speech, it would not work at all with music.

So the “double blind testing” crowd is worshiping an ABX protocol that was scientifically proven more than 60 years ago to be completely unsuitable for telling similar sounds apart. And they insist all the other methods are “unscientific.”

The irony seems to be lost on them.

Why do so many audiophiles reject blind testing of audio components? - Quora
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I love blindtest sorry...Show me one i will study the results...I am curious....

But i cannot blindtest an INCREMENTAL day to day strings of change dealing with my listening experiments...

I dont trust those who trust ONLY blindtest.....

Is it not simple to understand?

you recognize a zealot easily, it is one for which exist only black and white choices...

I am not one.... sorry.....

i will trust a great number of satisfied customers over any blindtest....I will trust a blindtest if the product is not well known or not well appreciated....If there is a debate i will listen to a blindtest....but day to day in audiolife no one need systematic blindtest to establish audible fact....In psychoacoustic research blindtest is a useful tool, but daily audiolife is not psychacoustic research nor marketing circus....

Then who is not reasonable?

Why calling audiophile more unreasonnable than "scientism" zealot ?

Because it is black or white?


«All fact dont wait for a blindtest to be born»-Anonymus Smith
@elapid 

Nice generalization- audiophiles are not reasonable men.....how can you lump us all together when we disagree on many things very often - that is the purpose of meaningful discussion. Audiophiles are passionate about listening to the best sounding stereo to them that they can afford or choose to buy/afford. Different people have different priorities. If you don’t have audiophiledom as a hobby or priority or passion, why are you here? 
I certainly wouldn’t read a stamp or coin hobbyist forum site, not that there is anything wrong with those hobbies; just not my cup of tea.

Why would you want to troll a site frequented by what you consider unreasonable people?

We don’t all take a staunch opinion on blind testing value- more like what Paul from PS Audio said. It has its place as a possible piece of the decision pie, depending on circumstances.
Elapid, 

Data can be manipulated. You could be measuring the wrong thing. 
Your so sure of yourself. Dont know from Adam. 

I know joy when I feel it. Thats all that matters.

You can take your data. Its no good to me.

peguinpower
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05-03-2021 7:33pm
Elapid,

Data can be manipulated. You could be measuring the wrong thing.
Your so sure of yourself. Dont know from Adam.

I know joy when I feel it. Thats all that matters.

You can take your data. Its no good to me.
So much revealed in one comment. Well done.

Yep. I work in tech. Have more data that I can use. I have a data scientist working for me. The first thing you learn is to make decision whether you have enough data or not, and the second reject data that is no use. 

I use data more than most. I use data to make decisions at work overseeing close to two dozen people. Not an intellectual masturbator who found Google and thinks he has the key to the universe.