New turntable: TW or Obama?


About to take the plunge on a table to replace my venerable SOTA Star/SME V.

Top contenders: TW Acustic Raven LS or a Kuzma Stabi R with wood base.  Arm options are the TW 10.5 on the former, or something else.  Would likely get the Kuzma 4 point for the latter.

Anyone with experience and an opinion on these analog tables?

Cost wise they are similar, both under $20K.

Thanks!
bobbydd
You are much better off with the Kuzma Pair, not as fancy looking but the 4 Point is a better arm and the R has an adequate record clamping system. It is also a very flexible table. Both would need to be placed on a MinusK platform for adequate isolation. 
Just to throw another stone in the water. Why not look at a Sota Cosmos Vacuum? It has a fine built is suspension, a magnetic thrust bearing, a better motor and control system, the best record clamping and a lovely isolated dust cover. It is not as flexible as either of the other tables and is limited to certain 9 and 10 inch tone arms. The Kuzma 4 point 9 ( many believe it is the best 4 Point), the Schroder CB, the Reed 2G, all the Origin Live arms and some others will fit. All for under 20K. The only turntable I like better is the Dohmann Helix. What it is hard to get across is that mass does not provide adequate isolation. Place your stylus down in the run out groove with the turntable off and turn up the volume. What you hear is called room rumble. You can also watch your woofers bounce. With a turntable that is adequately suspended you will get hardly any of this. You might pick up air currents in the room. Blow gently on the tonearm and watch what happens. Darn sensitive vibration measuring device!
I also think after using the Sota you will be disappointed in the others after a while. The Sota is a joy to use. You can put your hand down on it to cue a record. You can hit the plinth with a hammer and won't hear it at all through the system. Try that with the others. they do not have isolated hinged dustcovers that you can easily use during play not only protecting your records but making records sound better! It is hearing protection for your cartridge. So much for popular dogma.

Also, The Kuzmas to get for a 4 Point are the Ref 2 and the M.
The Kuzma stabi M does have an isolated, hinged cover. I'm impressed enough with the Kuzma 4 point 11 that I'm now considering a stabi turntable too. Just a brilliant arm.