Mutually dependent.
3D lifelike sound and impeccable measurements - mutually exclusive???
The more I investigate gear the more it seems that it’s easy to get organic involving sound with flesh and body and a 3D immersive soundstage with the right matching of components but it also seems like it necessitates choosing some components that don’t measure well/add colorations/even order harmonics etc My question is are there components (specifically amps/preamps and integrateds) are out there that combine great measurements and in your mind also have that organic immersive sound that really helps many of us get more emotionally involved in the music or are these qualities mutually exclusive?
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So its no surprise that people still think that excellent specs and really 3d musical sound are mutually exclusive because the examples that disprove this are a minority in the high end audio world. We certainly have the ability to measure what's important- although the will to do so is an entirely different matter! It is a common problem. People want to be comfortable in their bubble, not told they are not wearing any clothes. |
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Absolutely wrong. Are you referring to the response of the tympanum? Basilar membrane? Hair cells? Auditory nerve? Inferior colliculus? Medial geniculate nucleus? Primary auditory cortex? Secondary auditory cortical areas? Association cortices? Striatum/limbic system? |
"Great post.... We dont know very well how the ears works...Then figuring out how to use our ears in a room is a deeper problem than most think it is...My mechanical equalizer inspired by Helmholtz was the solution i created to adress only one of this acoustical problem with an imprevisible result and very successful experiment.... The map is in front of us.....But the reality is not the sketchy map we have drawn.... Not only do we not understood all the relation between physical acoustic and neurophysiology of hearing; but here in audio most think that it is electronical engineering the key to audio perceived experience... The level of prejudices is huge coming from the market.... Audio perceived experience is mostly acoustically dependent.... In a nutshell almost all amplifiers will sound bad in a bad room, same thing for dac or speakers...The difference between them will not be commensurate to their transformation by being put in a well controlled room acoustically...The difference will be day and night.... Then we have some claiming, no problem, trust us, we understand hearing in electronics design, and we have on the other hand a crowd waiting for the next upgrading plaster to their acoustical wounds.... The stupidest are those who dont trust their own ears to take the journey... Sorry.... Question to them : if you dont trust your own ears how are you supposed to learn concrete acoustic in a specific room with specific ears ? With a computer program simplifying acoustic and reducing it to precise tested frequency response? |
clarinetmonster2 OP198 posts03-28-2021 11:44pmReally only one or two people have answered my question and made suggestions of brands that they believe both measure very well AND offer an immersive musical experience in their opinion. That’s really all I’m looking for. How hard is that? You are asking an impossible question, hence why your answers will be all over the place. You like the Chord DACs, which also measure well. Others prefer a different DAC sound and would consider the Chord analytic not matter how good. Soundstage is recording, room, and speakers, with somewhat minor influence from other components, though there can be synergy between components and recordings that can bring brief moments of glory, forever chased if you don't get a handle on the basics. I have not heard a system that was exceptional that was not in a room where the audiophile spent considerable effort. I have heard good systems, but none that were exceptional. The exceptional ones were all a work of love and acoustic performance. |
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