Just added full LP playback

Mijostyn, thanks for the info, but I have no issues with my Hana EL and pro-ject the classic combo. My bass is fine and I have wonderful detail retrieval. My post or reply was to point out that people with far more knowledge and experience, ie stereophile and others, have used the hana el on arms that are of less effective mass than that of the pro-ject carbon arm (13.5 grams). The only issue that can arise with the above combo is the stock counterweight. The existing counterweight is fine with the hana if you use heavier hardware other than what came with the hana. Otherwise, pro-ject recommends the use of an alternate counterweight, I believe the model 282. What you give up is the good looks of the polished chrome finish and anti resonant material of the stock counterweight, as the alternate counterweight is black and has no anti resonant material. The hana is considered a lower mid compliance cartridge. The Denon 103 to compare is a Low compliance cartridge. Although. Some have also used it in the above tonearm to good effect. In fact there is a review of the music hall mmf-9.3 equipped with the lighter pro-ject arm (11 grams) whereas the reviewer also utilized the Denon 103 with no ill
Effects. As I said, I have had no issues with the hana and the 9 inch carbon arm.

Audioguy, I am thrilled that you are happy with your system but Jeff is not happy with his and I am doing my best to help him out. You obviously do not need it and I am not trying to help you in any way shape or form. You are the one who interpolated yourself into this discussion but since you are here you might consider getting yourself a set of these screws. They are really sharp looking and who knows, someday you might get yourself a Koetsu and really need them.

Gents:

I’ll be trying suggestions , I’ve adjusted all the loadings and ended at 380 ohm & 200 pf 

I’ll try double album height , tonight,  For VTA

I’ll working on getting bass heavy albums to try 

The 3 albums , I started with , are 1970’s. I got for $6.12 
might be yucky recordings Dan fogleburg, Tim weisburg & gino vinelli 
buy, WOW    They were very quiet !!!!

leveled and put granite under TT to see
not much help 

The journey begins !  As I knew it would, and take some time , and effort just like the rest of the system It could be my digital setup is so much better ?
( see if that comment strikes you guys up ! Lol) 

Jeff

@lalitk 

sweet looking setup 
my compliments 

is the Thorens a suspended table ?

I was told a suspended table would not have the bass of a heavy damped turntable ? 

I noticed the ML has a brass plate ? Is that so its For heavier tonearms ?       
 How did you start with the ML ? 
Jeff

Jeff@frozentundra,

Thanks for the compliments. Thorens TD1601 sub-chassis is mounted on three conical springs thus allowing its platter to float vertically. I don’t think I’ve experienced any loss in the bass region with this table.

RE: Sibilant. @audioguy85 advise is spot on. I did experience lot of sibilance when I first set my table out of the box. I played with counterweight adjustment and got rid of the sibilance. Fortunately, the VTA adjustment and cart was done by the seller (MusicDirect). As much I am enjoying this turntable, it’s not without its flaws. I picked the electrical lift and auto-shut off option with TD1601 and it is probably the most noisy part of the operation, otherwise the table is dead quiet.

I have another table (Dr. Feickert - Volare) coming in couple of weeks. Let’s see which one I end up keeping :-)

The choice of Hana cart was based on one of my dear friend recommendation. I did read the online reviews which are very positive about the brand. Initially I was leaning towards Hana SL but after speaking to my consultant at Music Direct, he highly recommended the ML (Low Output) over SL. The Hana ML uses higher-specifications parts, extra-pure copper wiring and a nude microline stylus. The brass plate along with Delrin body provides better dampening over SL.
I mostly listen to jazz genre so I prefer a relax and slightly warm sound. With Hana ML music simply flows, the soundstage is so relaxed and expansive that all of the detail in my favorite recordings are easily heard and silky smooth. With this cart, you can easily discern the differences between vinyl at 33 and 45rpm speed. Absolutely no regrets with ML.

If I may, I would like to recommend couple of accessories if you plan to continue exploring vinyl playback.

1) Clean your records with cleaning solution (even the new one’s) and they will sound so much better with minimal ticks and pops. I bought new records and they were noisy even after cleaning with Carbon Fiber Anti-Static Record Brush. I bought this kit from Amazon, everything you need it’s included,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H5C8ZL2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3425Q6HRMGD2C&psc=1

2) Pick up Mo-Fi Record Inner Sleeves. These sleeves make it so easy to slide your record in and out and keep them static-free. Those cheap paper sleeves are royal pain in the rear 😆

https://www.musicdirect.com/sleeves/mobile-fidelity-record-inner-sleeves-50pk

Enjoy the journey!