Oh no Miller, I could see you coming a mile away, and you think your logic is perfect of course, but you can’t see the forest for the trees.
Porschephile means exactly lover of "Porsches", not the man who has long been dead, but the cars themselves. I must say Miller, you have outdone yourself. You write the line that should spell it out for you, but you miss the obvious conclusion perfectly:
For one, I know lots of people who buy Porsches not because they particularly "love" driving, but for the prestige. And even then, NO, not people who care more about driving, but people who care more about driving a particular way(perhaps) AND who ascribe to a certain brand. They don’t like driving any more than someone who buys a Kawasaki Ninga ZX-14, nor a GTR-Nismo, nor someone who soups up a Corvette, tunes a Civic Si, nor drives, a 4-wheel SUV set up for off road, nor someone who races 125cc/250cc shift carts, or even someone who just races stock cars at their local quarter mile. The Ninga driver is arguably far more focused on the ultimate in performance than any Porsche driver. That 4-wheel off-roader allows driving in conditions and places that a Porsche coupe would only have nightmares about. That guy who runs stock cars at his local track likely knows far more about cars and how to extract performance both from the mechanics of the vehicle and from driving than most "Porschephiles". That 250cc shift cart delivers a far more intense and raw driving experience than any road-going Porsche ever made, and for that matter almost any Porsche race car.
"Porschephile" means "Lover of Porsche". That communicate almost nothing about someones passion for driving. If anything, it says far more about a love of "driving equipment" than actual driving, and even then, only specific equipment.
And here you made my argument again. "Right. Who said anything about audio. We’re talking turntables. Trying to change the subject. Weak. Lazy. Lame.
Except most Porsche owners will never set foot on a race track, not even for Novice race school. The same would apply to most who identify themselves as Porschphiles. Probably 95% of people who go to racing school have never owned and never will own a Porsche. Does that make them any less lovers of driving or any less capable of driving well?
Yes, Miller, you have proven well how a narrow view of automobile "nirvana", is exactly the same as some people’s narrow view of audio nirvana. You probably didn’t expect that did you.
Careful there Miller, your Porsche bigotry is showing. Many many people who love driving don’t own Porsches, and owning a Porsche is not a requisite to love driving, or even to strive to some "ultimate" love of driving. You just keep proving my point without even realizing it.
And the point I was making, went right over your head Miller. As I noted, the crowd I was involved with would consider most of your "Porschephiles" to be posers, not real "driving" people, and some of them did own Porsches and a host of other sports cars, but also SUVs, and pickup trucks, and even a station wagon or two.
Porschephile means exactly lover of "Porsches", not the man who has long been dead, but the cars themselves. I must say Miller, you have outdone yourself. You write the line that should spell it out for you, but you miss the obvious conclusion perfectly:
Just like people who care more about driving buy Porsche.
For one, I know lots of people who buy Porsches not because they particularly "love" driving, but for the prestige. And even then, NO, not people who care more about driving, but people who care more about driving a particular way(perhaps) AND who ascribe to a certain brand. They don’t like driving any more than someone who buys a Kawasaki Ninga ZX-14, nor a GTR-Nismo, nor someone who soups up a Corvette, tunes a Civic Si, nor drives, a 4-wheel SUV set up for off road, nor someone who races 125cc/250cc shift carts, or even someone who just races stock cars at their local quarter mile. The Ninga driver is arguably far more focused on the ultimate in performance than any Porsche driver. That 4-wheel off-roader allows driving in conditions and places that a Porsche coupe would only have nightmares about. That guy who runs stock cars at his local track likely knows far more about cars and how to extract performance both from the mechanics of the vehicle and from driving than most "Porschephiles". That 250cc shift cart delivers a far more intense and raw driving experience than any road-going Porsche ever made, and for that matter almost any Porsche race car.
"Porschephile" means "Lover of Porsche". That communicate almost nothing about someones passion for driving. If anything, it says far more about a love of "driving equipment" than actual driving, and even then, only specific equipment.
And here you made my argument again. "Right. Who said anything about audio. We’re talking turntables. Trying to change the subject. Weak. Lazy. Lame.
Does it mean you know anything about cars? No.
Right. Who said anything about cars? We’re talking Porsche. Trying to change the subject. Weak. Lazy. Lame.
", Porschephile and audiophile are very much related. Understanding one even helps you to understand the other."... which for some here is unfortunately true as you have proven .... it’s far more about the equipment than the music. You can’t possibly have good music if you don’t have THIS equipment.
Does it mean you know how to properly drive a car for maximum performance?
Yes. Something you would know if you had even one day as a Novice: all the same skills and techniques apply regardless of what you are driving.
Except most Porsche owners will never set foot on a race track, not even for Novice race school. The same would apply to most who identify themselves as Porschphiles. Probably 95% of people who go to racing school have never owned and never will own a Porsche. Does that make them any less lovers of driving or any less capable of driving well?
Yes, Miller, you have proven well how a narrow view of automobile "nirvana", is exactly the same as some people’s narrow view of audio nirvana. You probably didn’t expect that did you.
Careful there Miller, your Porsche bigotry is showing. Many many people who love driving don’t own Porsches, and owning a Porsche is not a requisite to love driving, or even to strive to some "ultimate" love of driving. You just keep proving my point without even realizing it.
Nope is right. Or else everyone with money would have one. Which they do not. Because way more people with money than love of driving. Logic. Try it some time.
And the point I was making, went right over your head Miller. As I noted, the crowd I was involved with would consider most of your "Porschephiles" to be posers, not real "driving" people, and some of them did own Porsches and a host of other sports cars, but also SUVs, and pickup trucks, and even a station wagon or two.