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Seriously considering tube preamp…opinions?

Tube virgin, here. I am building a system and I'm trying to contain the preamp/amp cost to $3k or so. (I could go up a little.) 

I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.

I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.

So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —

1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.

2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?

3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?

4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?




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@russellrcncom 228 posts 02-26-2020 10:27
I’m in a similar situation (looking for a tube pre / SS amp combo.) and I was wondering if there are tube pre’s that are more suited to SS amp matching in terms of impedance matching. Do I just go by the 1/10 rule (output impedance for the pre)? This would narrow my search down considerably if I could find a tube pre that is SS amp friendly.

You can also future-proof yourself by finding a multi-purpose tube preamp that not only mates up well with your solid state amp, and a future tube amp down the road later on.

It happens :)


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ihcho
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I've had PrimaLuna Prologue and Dialougue,  Rogue Audio Magnum 99, and BAT VK-30. I liked them all. If I am to pick the best sound, probably Rogue, but the only problem was it was a bit microphonic. Currently I use Dialougue, and I am quite happy with it.
93cobra
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Another vote for the Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3. I just replaced my Mark Levinson 380s with one.  Was a huge improvement.  Much more dynamic and open.  
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hilde45 OP
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Thanks Ihcho and 93cobra

I'm looking now at that Rhumba 1.3.
It is kind of a bummer when they tell you how much better the Extreme is! Just when I'm thinking, "This is the right price point for me" they go ahead and tell you all the ways things could be better. Aaarrrggghhhh. https://backertlabs.com/new/
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I warmly invite you to consider tracking down and auditioning a pair of Quad ESL speakers. 63s, 988s, 2805/2905, etc. Any of these might require a rebuild (cost about $2000 with shipping) but there is a reason why these are universally well regarded.

There are many solid state amps on the used market that would work well with these. Quad 909 for instance. This approach would result in a speaker/ power amp combo for around $4000. A budget of $2000 - 2500 would provide for a brand new 6SN7 based tube preamp that would blow your mind. Figure ~1200/1500 for a tube buffered DAC (Tubador, Orchid...) and stream from your laptop or a used cd/DVD player picked up used for $10 - 50 and you’re golden.  This would result in a system close to state of the art.
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