Dynavector XV-1s What is the REAL story?


I have read the performance parameters required for best sound in this cartridge, by the great HP,which I found interesting and perplexing.I then read,what seems to be a complete about face of HP's findings,by Mr Fremer,in Stereophile.Mr. Fremer does make a valid argument(we're talking tracking force)for correct alignment in the coils,and claims the mfgr's suggested force is the way to go.Makes sense,to me, NOT to stray from what the original designer has recommended!Yet,what do I know?It also seemed that MR Fremer was intentionally making the point,that HP was a bit clueless regarding downforce.

Well,now we have the "new audio pioneer"(I do like the guy,alot)Arthur Salvatore,on his "really fun to follow" web pages,stating that after much experience,with the XV-1s,he has concluded that MR Pearson was RIGHT,in recommending a downforce considerably higher than even the mfgr states.Obviously Mr Fremer would be incorrect.Even though his argument follows the line of ultimate reliability,as well as performance.All in a product costing about 4500 bucks--????

So,my argument is this---"WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON"???

We have a very expensive product that has gotten a considerable amount of press,where the supposedly top reviewers in the industry cannot seem to agree on a parameter that will DEFINITELY affect both sonic performance,as well as long term reliability!

They claim that "Newbees" are in short supply,and the industry is shrinking.Hmm,I wonder why!

Do we ALL cancel our subscriptions,to these "once hobbyist oriented" journels?Do we rely on forums like this to garnish the "TRUTH",where there STILL are those who "jump" at the opportunity to tout their Favorite possessions,and put in a good word for their favorite designer/manufacturers?

Or do we start to rely on our own sense of perceptions,which(believe me)really begin to "sharpen up",after you have spent your hard earned cash!!

Any thoughts are always welcome!!
sirspeedy70680e509
Sirspeedy,

Thanks for the system breakdown. Nothing can compare perfectly integrated bass & having heard RS 1Bs years ago, I can attest they are amazing. My all time favorite system was the same but running w. Carver Silver Seven amps & Levinson 20.5 on the bass. This was when I was a kid @ Lyric hifi. What a system. What a room. Don't remember the source. I didn't care back then. I had no money.

I am full steam ahead on the importance of a great Linear Tracking Arm. In theory & now from your words nothing can compare to it. Karl-Heinz loves the Kuzma and says it is the top. You mention the Air-Tangent. Now for some food for thought to those of use who have already spent too much. There is a Musicmaker Linear tracking tonearm coming out on the inexpensive side. I am itching to find out more, if not get it. I have room for a bunch of arms so why not. And why not add a few more cartridges, but I am stopping on the cartridge front for a while until I earn more meony.
Hey Dgad,I didn't mention that the Air Tangent was not used with the supplied pump.My pal bought a compressor from a retiring dentist,which completely blew away the standard one.The result was great bass,which has always been a knock on the A.T.

Also,I had always heard tons of stuff at Lyric,over the years.BTW-Lenny is now the new owner.He has mellowed into a really fine,experienced,person to deal with.I always liked him and felt he got a bad rap,by some.He's painfully honest,which is something I like.

I once owned the RS-1b's,but was forced to sell them,when I moved to another state.I swear I remember saying to myself(when the new owner was taking them out of my room)"why am I doing this"!!Two months later I met a guy at a stereo store who told me he had a friend who bought flawless RS-1's from some yutz,who kept them in flawless shape,and sold them because of moving to N.J.I never mentioned the yutz was me.
However with my friend Sid's mega modded pair,there was NO contest.I always get a kick out of the majority of the latest "industry/reviewer" raves,after hearing them,and comparing them to Sid's set-up.-:)Like I have stated in the past(and am beginning to really believe),my friend's room surely must be a gateway between two "black holes",where the laws of physics simply break down.His stuff sounds "that good".Everyone hearing it always leaves shaking their head in disbelief!

Best!
I’m running a VPI HRX with the 12" 3D arm (not sure I like it better yet than my 12.6???) and a Pass Labs 27 for the phono. I’ve owned a few Dynavectors and I was running a XV-1s for some time before the maid decided to clean my table and dismember the cartridge. Now I have an XV-1t on order, so soon, I will find out what's going on with that stressful purchase.
My experience with the XV-1s and it’s tracking force had a bit to do with the tonearm, because the 12.6 was a bit of a wobbler I mentally did set the cartridge on the high side of the spec 1.95 to 2.00. I also tried it at 1.85 without noticing too much difference but I remember preferring the heavier side. Setting up the VTA by ear was very quick and easy, I didn’t need a test disc just playing Adele is enough to nail it. Both my other half and I grew up in audiophile families and personally I started to really get into it at 12, now at 55 I guess I know more but it does not feel like it lol. Anyway, the combo of the XV-1s, Pass labs 27 and our Ayre KRX Twenty produced the best sound I have ever heard in my life, better than our Vivaldi DAC by far. I can’t believe I finally reached a point where I’m stuck, I don’t want to risk losing this sound by trying other things. It’s so damn good I can listen to it all day, honestly, I feel blessed just to listen to it, it’s like you can reach out and touch the performers. That said, I ordered the mighty "T".
From what I read here it sounds like people are at least in part, adjusting the cartridge to adjust to their "tone" arm? I’ do not know anything about the XV-1, the "s" is a bit different and I know the "t" will be a little more different.
On the break-in, these cartridges at this level are not stamped out but wholly hand made and do vary a bit, I’m sure. I mean if the person assembling it after lunch where they went home and got laid..that might sound a little different than the builder who went home for lunch and got into let’s say, a throw down domestic argument, before they came back to finish up your precious cartridge. So far for us, the XV-1s have sounded great from the first needle drop and did get even better after 50-75 hours, it never sounded congested to me but it did open up dynamically and spatially. Mine is so damn dynamic I feel no desire to go over 2.00.
I’m hoping the "T" does not step over to the analytical side too much? If it does I’ll go back to the "S" and stay there. In the interim, I thought I’d try the Hana MH from my office rig in the big rig and everyone really likes it. If I had not heard the dynavectors I’d be pretty happy, it’s 100% musical, it does get congested on break in but wow, bang for the buck is huge! This cartridge with the Pass Labs 17 would be an awesome combo! It’s pretty quiet as far as record noise, dynamic, balanced top to bottom and does not try and reach beyond it’s abilities, it just plays the music.

Just for reference most of the system. VPI HRX (Brass counterweight and Delrin, stainless, lead platter and 12"3D arm- DCS Vivaldi except both clocks are Esoteric- Ayre KRX Twenty- Krell Evo 400E (souped up a bit)- Krell EVO 600E’s (also souped up a bit)- Evolution Acoustics MM3- Von Schweikert Audio VR-55 Aktive- Revel Ultima Salon 2- Apogee Diva Ultimates- Ayre QA-9- Oppo 105D...
rminsf:
I made the move from XV1-s to XV1-t a few years ago.  I have a VPI HRX rim drive with superplatter and 3d arm.
The t is simply a better cartridge than the s and most certainly not over analytical. In fact, it is more natural. I cannot say it is nearly twice as good as the s but, as in all things audio, once you reach a certain price point, there are diminishing returns in doubling the price. That said, the difference is audible and worthwhile. If you liked the s, you'll really like or love the t.
@rminsf  - keep us posted once you get the the t up and running - I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on the comparison between the two.