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Phono Preamp Tube Rush

Is there such a thing as a tube phono stage that doesn't have tube rush? Is it just an inherent weakness of that type of pre or is it some combination of cartridge gain and preamp gain? I went from a silent solid state ASR Basis Exclusive to a Herron VTPH-2A (new home with space limitations) and now I'm using a Hagerman Trumpet with my Decca London Super Gold. Both the Herron and Hagerman have tube rush. The Hagerman beats the Herron in my setup and it really sounds incredible but in quiet passages and between songs, there's that hiss at high-medium and high volume. It's just there. No combination of new tubes, new cables, etc changes this fact. Same with the Herron. Anyone having a different experience with a tube phono preamp?
dhcod
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mijostyn
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dhcod, It would take a severely defective tube to cause a 25% decrease in sound quality. I have not used a 12AX7 unit since 1965 and a Dyna PAS 3X but with 6922's the only significant difference between tubes is noise which is much easier to quantify than sound quality. Whatever differences there are in sound quality are marginal at best but having all kinds of crap going on in the background of quiet passages is annoying. I suppose if you only listen to Metal it does not make a difference and besides the tube with those gold pins must sound better. 
bigkidz
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@three_easy_payments - I thought my post was very clear in that the phono stages mentioned may sound great but if the unit has noise then IMO something is not correct.  Why would I buy anything that had noise?  Like I said, these products may sound great but the designer did not take the time to design the unit to eliminate the noise so IMO that is a compromise in the design, maybe to make something at a price point possibly.  I don't use 6922/6DJ8 in my phono stage either.  The 12AX7 tubes work better in that application.  Happy Listening.
lubachl
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If you prefer tubes and have a low output moving coil it is best to use a solid state phono pre and employ tubes in the downstream electronics.  My recommendation would be to go with Nagra BPS.  It has high enough gain for low output MCs, runs off a 9 volt battery, is dead quiet and sounds fantastic.
dhcod OP
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dhcod, It would take a severely defective tube to cause a 25% decrease in sound quality. 


That would completely depend on what a person enjoys in their listening and their associated equipment. Maybe I was being a bit hyperbolic but I just wasn't enjoying the sound nearly as much.
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daveyf
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Anyone here actually own a tube phono stage that is so quiet that when you place your ear right up against the speaker and the phono stage is active...and at some mild gain, but with no music playing ( or even at no gain) they hear absolutely no tube noise/rush ( dead silence)...I doubt it.
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