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JADIS DEFY7, can not get it to sing

Hi
I hope some of you old pros can help answer my,,well lets say help me figure out how to get my Jadis defy 7 to sing. I purchased the amp used (like new, as the seller had a  Jadis JA200 mono blocks laready and the Defy sat quiet, So I bought it in 2008. Months later i purchased a  MINGDA tube pre amp, sounded AWEFUL, Not even close to my jadis Orch reference, KT90's EI tubes, that intergrtaed was really all I needed, i made a  huge costly mistake selling and buying the  DEFY 7, I do believe that w/o a  powerful pre, to DRIVE the FQ's into the Defy, the Defy will not respo9nd. 
The sound is flat, lifeless, no dynamics, The Orch Refer had HUGE sound stage, bass, GORGEOUS life like mids, nice sweet highs. 
I wanted more and bought the Defy,. 
I just had the Defy cked in Baton Rouge, had the KT90's brand new EH tuibes biased . 
I have a  ONKYO preamp arriving next week and am about to buy a  Mitshibushi Pre amp, 
I have a  LITE LS9 , chinese tube preamp, and that pre sounds like the,,no worse than the heftier Ming Da. 
This Lite LS9 is suppose to be a copy of the Jadis 200 pre, It weighs only 7 lbs, the trans is light weight.
I get  the idea the jadis Defy needs a  great hefty powerful prem, which is what folks told me back when i bought it, I did not believe them. 

I am low on  cash and will list the Defy for $3500 and i will pay shipping. 
I will then wait fora  great used Jadis intergrated, say a  DA50.

But I 1st want to try the 2 solid state pres to see if i can get the Defy to wake up.
It I can get some better respose , i may keep it and look for a  good used Audio reserach or a  macnintosh.
I do not have $6K for a jadis pre used. 
My budget is $1K
any help is greatly appreacitaed.
I have the uncredibly  SEAS Thor MTM speakser along with the CAYIN tube cd player with upgraded opamps .
As I say I am very close to selling the hge, hardly used (Like New) amp, due to my doubts that I can get the amp to respond like its tiny brother , The Orch Reference. 
btw I am the one who coined the tag *shootout* wayyyy back in 2000, or 2001 
I stared a  thread of speaker shootouts,,,and based on that long thread, i bought the SEAS THor kits. 
I now see *shoot out* is now the common tag for speaker and stereo components comparison.
My old login was Bartokfan.
Look forward to any suggestions in my dilemma.
paul
new orleans
mozartfan
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
well Leaf pre amp arrived today, The pics on ebay shows 6 gorgeous SONICAPS,,,upon opening the hood, the caps are cheap yellow caps, ,,,,I feel cheated. My plans were to dump it on ebay at a  $200 oloss, Now with these cheap yellow caps, i can not ad the unit has gorgeous SONICAPS.
= will need rto take a  $300 loss, or lets say $250 loss, 
$300 + $50 ship. 
I paid $600. 
Well I can not hear it, as my tech guy in baton rouge has my step up trans to repair the cayin MT35, which has 15 hours on it,,and have to wait for a  Step up trans to arrive , from ,,,~~~Montana~~~ = 2 weeks ship time, and thats priority,,,Montana is a HUGE state, with little infrastructure, US mail moves at snail pace,,,I know this pre is superior to the other 2 chinese tube pre,,,but i am after the cayin at $1400+ ship/china,,,
I will need that cayin pre Mark 2 version to bring out all the potential colors of the Defy 7, 
But i am not stopping there. For me, the Defy will sound like a  crow next to the ~~~Cayin CS845A~~~ which can be used as  intergrated or asa  pure class A amp. 
The Cayin 845 will  sound like heavenly angles singing next to the jadis 's crowish registers.  Jadis can only be brought to full life witha  jadis preamp,,and i do not have Ropthchild's gold bank card. Sorry, I wish I could dump the jadis and trade it for the cayin CS845 .
But I will have 2 systems,,maybe the jadis will not be so bad with the Cayin. 
I will not sell the jadis as you acn not get much for a  12 yr Defy 7, maybe $2500, At that figure i ;'ll keep it. 
Even though the Defy has 12 yrs, it has very low, under 1000 hrs, probably less as the guy i bought it from said *I never use it, as I have a Jadis 200 4 block amp system*. Honestly the jadis is brand new. 
So $2500 fora  amp worth $15,000???
nah, don't think so, 
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
The Leaf arrived,,,the 6 beautiful caps in the ebay pic, are missing, replaced with 6 yellow cheap chinese caps, ,,,asking seller for $100 refund,,anyway,,,verdict 
~A~N~E~M~I~C~~~
Sure beats out the other 2 xchinese tube pres, but not by much,,with bass/treble tone controls all the way up, Diana KRALL sounds pretty good, but i do not listen to jazz/rock,,only classical,,In classical, weak, no dynamics, no sound stage, = dud,,,last option is 
Buy 
Cayin SC6LS Fpr $1600 AND 
Add a 2nd system 
Cayin 845 @ $3K.
= $$$$$$$, I am hoping the SC6LS brings life to the jadis. 
1st I have to dump 
both chinese pres at a  huge 50% loss and the Cayin MT35 @ a  35% hit. With that cash I can add the SC6LS.
I was hoping to mention the beautiful SONICAPS in the Leaf for my ad on ebay.
Now i can not I am cheated
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woodsage
74 posts
 
I want some of what this guy is taking....
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twoleftears
5,313 posts
 
@woodsage For starters, try listening to collected works of Wolfgang Amadeus for 24 hours straight.  
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
well just to get you gets back to your senses,,,I just spoke witha  Cayin dealer in Florida,,here is what he told me, *I can not carry 2 channel stereo units , as  the ONLY thing that sells are mutili channel, 8, 12 channel hpme theater stuff.
Which is why everyone has a  room full of used amps, preanms, etc etc etc,,like pack rats, HORDERS,,and we can not get even 1/2 price we paid. 
Admit it, you guys wood and twot , both you have at least 3 ubits you would love to dump for a few $$$
The Leaf had cheap yellow caps,,
Seems a  ebay reviewer of the Leaf mentioned,,*Oh you bought the unit from DOUK,,?*, He said his seller's pic has the cheap yellow caps in the photo, but DOUK's gorgeous white caps, 
Chinese dealer wants me to ship back the Leaf,,I told Amy,,yeah , like ship to china is $200++ going UPS,,hopefully she can allow some $50 to help with return costs. 

I will buy the cayin SC6LS Mark 2 from china. 
$1500 includes ship.

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