So many great golden era DD tables out there, what do you recommend for $1000?
Kenwood KD-650 KD-750L-07D KD-2055 belt drive cousin of 500/600 $250 Without Arms KD-500KD-600 Sony PS-1150 belt driven PS-8750 close to Kenwood L-07D $1,000 Sony PUA-1600S carbon fiber arm Very Nice PS-X3 $280 PS-X5 $250 PS-X7 $200 PS-X6 $500 Sony TTS-8000 Yamaha YP-D8YP-D10 $704 YP-D10 $975 YP-D10 $1,000 YP-D9 (Japanese model) $1,000 PF-1000PF-800 $1,500 GT-750 $1,350 Gt-1000 $2,500 GT-2000 $2,200 Tone Arms Grace G-707 SME 2 or 3 3009 $1,000 Jelco SA-750D Technics EPA-100 $1,500 |
bigkidz, I looked up the Sony 8750 on Vintage Knob. Some photos suggest it has a coreless motor. Do you know whether it does or not? If it does, then maybe it might be a stealth L07D, as you suggest. I don't think anyone would say that a Yamaha GT1000 is worth more in the marketplace than a GT2000. I'd say that both the GT750 and the GT1000 could be had for less than $1000 or maybe a very little more than $1000, in the case of the GT1000. |
Is there a reason golden age DD turntables became golden age? Or conversely, why did the high-end move to belt-drive? I think there is. Fundamentally, golden age DD tables employed a PLL (phased-locked loop) to stabilize rotational velocity to a very accurate degree. The problem herein is that the frequency response of this negative feedback loop (that's what a PLL is) is right in the middle of the audio band, sitting on top of vocals. Yeah. So for every disturbance or increase in stylus drag, there is a corresponding error term which gets amplified a drives a proportional (PID actually) response in the motor to compensate, adding it's own signature. I'm pretty sure Fremer pointed this out a long time ago. A DD may have an easy time hitting 33.3333 RPM long term average, but short term in-audio-band response may become audible and annoying. In short, that's why a decent belt-driven table is more relaxing and less fatiguing over the long term. Thoughts? |
immediate thoughts is that there already exists a whole thread especially dedicated to that subject. https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/stylus-drag-fact-or-fiction |
@hagtech Is there a reason golden age DD turntables became golden age? Or conversely, why did the high-end move to belt-drive? Could you please recall Japanese turntable manufacturer who has moved to Belt Drive from Direct Drive ? I can't remember anyone. Do you own a Direct Drive turntable to compare it to a belt Drive at least to confirm your statement for yourself ? Do you actually hear any problem when you're playing records on high-end Direct Drive turntable ? Personally i have never ever experienced any single problem with high-end Direct Drive turntables such as Technics SP-10mkII, SP-20, Luxman PD-444, Denon DP-80 ... even my Victor TT-101 is working. I have no idea what Mr.Fremer is talking about. Probably a $3k vintage Direct Drive owner should buy a $6k modern belt drive instead pretending for upgrade? In Fremer's wold it will be a $60k belt drive, right ? I will never do that and i can't imagine anyone, who own a High-End DD, trading it for a belt drive. Belt Drive, say it again. OMG What i see in Analog Planet videos from various High-End shows is the ugliest belt drive turntables ever, for insane prices! P.S. I want to remind you that his review for new Technics DD was very positive. |
